If you are not shooting x brand.

Your video only proves my point. Your point of impact constantly changes alot. If u keep swinging them in ofc you will eventually hit it. That is far from being consistent no offense to shooter or gun just ballistic facts thats what you can expect in even slight wind. Just feed that wind data to ballistic calculator and you can see how much that small tiny pill will drift even in small wind contidions. Thats exactly the reason why Im shooting Texan 257 and custom spa with 222rem barrel on it thats how I get double and triple the bc numbers of 22cal nsa slugs and even I wouldnt say they are accurate out to 300yds even if I can pop pingpong balls with texan at like 90% hitrate from 200meters. I have some 89gr bullets for my texan with 0.1749 bc and I would say even those lose accuracy after 200meters even if im slinging them over 1000fps. Ringing 10x10 inch plate gets harder at 250meters than hitting pingpong ball at 200.

In my opinion air rifles are accurate guns and I don't know why slug became so popular at that time. It’s not accurate as normal air rifle and not powerful as powder guns. With that money I can buy both pcp and rim fire. Also slug has better BC but it’s not high enough to get rid of holdovers so what the differences? It had to be calculated at last.

Blanket statements usually dont go over well.

Slugs in FX rifles aren't a waste of time or money. Try shooting 18gr pellets at 200 or 300 yds and see what happenes compared to slugs.

My Impact shoots sub moa at 200yds easily with slugs. Even half moa at 200yds. I have pics and video of it.

Lol blanket statement? Any ballistic calculator proves Im right. I would love to see video where you shoot 10shot groups 3 of them back to back where you manage to score even sub 2moa at 200yds. Il be waiting. 3shot groups are as good as one shot on middle. Yes you have right for your opinion and I have right for my own and I consider it waste of money and bad value compared you could almost get custom sinner with same money. 

Go back through your posts and you'll see where you're wrong. Sorry you had a negative experience.

Point me where Im wrong? Im still wating ur evidence. I havent seen anything even close to sub moa at 100yds from slugliner and speaking about 200yds make me just smile. Alot hype without any evidence equals bs. Alot of marketing talk videos and bs from ppl getting paid or some other profits from certain manufacturer but ZERO honest reviews from private users where they actually get even close. As said Im not hater at all I consider them to be one of the best pellet platforms but as I said many times not suitable for my needs or my criteria what I consider to be accurate with slugs and far from being best for it.

We as private end product users should be honest with each other to take this forward and help others to not spend money on products with too high expectations that only drives ppl away from this hobby and in long term dose bad for industry. 

If you shoot sub moa at 200 yards which mean sub 2 inches is good for any airgun. But it’s good enough for plinking not for hunting. I had some pellet guns, at 200 yards in a calm day I could hit bottle and every second hit they were brake.

So you spend 2000$ for impact 600$ for barrel and I don’t know how much for plenum to brake that bottle with one hit.

I think achieving this feels good and pleasant. But already over 3k spent for a gun that each year needs repair. It’s not as accurate as rim fire or even that powerful but The price tag and service is high.

In my opinion air rifles are accurate guns and I don't know why slug became so popular at that time. It’s not accurate as normal air rifle and not powerful as powder guns. With that money I can buy both pcp and rim fire. Also slug has better BC but it’s not high enough to get rid of holdovers so what the differences? It had to be calculated at last.

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To me, slugs are just a way to extend the effective range of airguns and to increase their stopping power for use on larger game. Of course, it also gives companies something else to sell us so their R&D and marketing folks are all over it.

I got into airguns as a backyard friendly, quiet, and cheap alternative to powder burners so I’m not really interested. But I never shoot past 100 yards so I’m not really their target market.

My only concern with the slug craze is that it might bring unwanted attention from regulators as the guns become more powerful.

If you shoot sub moa at 200 yards which mean sub 2 inches is good for any airgun. But it’s good enough for plinking not for hunting. I had some pellet guns, at 200 yards in a calm day I could hit bottle and every second hit they were brake.

So you spend 2000$ for impact 600$ for barrel and I don’t know how much for plenum to brake that bottle with one hit.

I think achieving this feels good and pleasant. But already over 3k spent for a gun that each year needs repair. It’s not as accurate as rim fire or even that powerful but The price tag and service is high.

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I agree that wind plays havoc with these lighter projectiles. Setting up the premise that because you can “plink” at 200 or more yards. You can also hunt or pest at those distances is unrealistic. Yes, some rare shooters can make those shots under field conditions. But that is not the norm for the average shooter. So I agree that spending thousands to plink at extended distance is beyond my financial means. Yesterday at the dairy I had 200 pigeons on the wire, 175 yards away. Way too far for my .22 @ 32 FPE. If I had my rimfire I still would pass up those shots or, try to get closer. Long range air gunning seems to contradict the reason some got into airguns in the first place. Though I intend to try some slugs to see what they can do in my gun. I'm content with the performance of the JSB 18s at the ranges I shoot at.

I agree that wind plays havoc with these lighter projectiles. Setting up the premise that because you can “plink” at 200 or more yards. You can also hunt or pest at those distances is unrealistic. Yes, some rare shooters can make those shots under field conditions. But that is not the norm for the average shooter. So I agree that spending thousands to plink at extended distance is beyond my financial means. Yesterday at the dairy I had 200 pigeons on the wire, 175 yards away. Way too far for my .22 @ 32 FPE. If I had my rimfire I still would pass up those shots or, try to get closer. Long range air gunning seems to contradict the reason some got into airguns in the first place. Though I intend to try some slugs to see what they can do in my gun. I'm content with the performance of the JSB 18s at the ranges I shoot at.

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All the thing I want to say is .177 to .22 air rifles are for pest control at short range with backyard friendly sound. So why spend much more money to get some thing that already exist? Spending +3K to achieve 120 joules which sounds like 0.30 caliber and as powerful as 0.30 cal but less accurate. And if that’s not enough big bore using slug at first place long ago.

It’s like buy sport car and tune it to go off-road.

At the subsonic velocities these AG's shoot there are at least 3 things I can think of that need to coincide in unison to produce small groups at the longer distances like 200-300Y??. These are low extreme spreads/ES, a high degree of accuracy (this includes very consistent projectiles especially in weight), and "a properly stabilized projectile". If one of these is missing you'll see the vertical component spread more and more the farther the projectile gets from the barrel. In other words your 1 moa groups at 100Y might become 2 moa by 200Y and 4 moa by 300Y, or far worse, instead of 1 moa at 100Y, 200Y and so on.

Here's my anecdotal example. With the AAA EVOL 30 cal I've been shooting, using JSB 44's at 908 fps at the time, it was easy hitting a 210Y full sized chicken silhouette in somewhat windy conditions and at 289Y is wasn't hard hitting a 7" diamond shaped steel. This was using from 2 to 4 mils of holdoff for windage. With my FX Impact gen 1 in 25 cal at 840 fps, using JSB 34's, it was very hard to hit the 210'er and pure luck if I hit the 289Y, in less windy conditions. I can only assume the difference has to do with twist rate and other factors related to the barrel because both rifles shoot similarly at 100Y and the SD is about the same. 

jiikuu,

Sorry you are so bitter toward FX.

Search for the evidence yourself......my post history has it all. And being I do scope cam for 90% of my shooting, there's video proof of it as well.

The last time someone didn't believe what I said, it turned into a 9 page mess and a waste of my time, and the other guy got banned.

I'm not going to put the decent membership through that again, nor will I waste my time like I did with that other thread.

Lol Im not bitter at all just saying making too unrealistic clames do not serve anyone and Im fairly sure if there would be something to see I would have seen it months ago and P. S Im still waiting your video. Should not be too hard seeing you said you have footage to prove sub moa 200yards constantly.  

Lol Im not bitter at all just saying making too unrealistic clames do not serve anyone and Im fairly sure if there would be something to see I would have seen it months ago and P. S Im still waiting your video. Should not be too hard seeing you said you have footage to prove sub moa 200yards constantly.

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YouTube. Check it out sometime. Bob puts all his videos on there and they’re very informative and entertaining. Maybe you’ll learn something!

Yes I learned alot! Couldnt find sub moa 200yds constantly as the most important finding. Actually not sub moa 200yds even once. But il let it be but to be honest I would love to see content where someone actually achieves that as far as Im aware of none have meet that criteria and Im fairly sure there is only few true sub MOA 100yd guns. 

Jiikuu, 

I’m fairly certain , no one on this forum or any other has any intentions of proving anything to you . If you don’t believe the hype , that’s fine , If you are absolutely certain it’s BS , that’s fine too . I shoot brands x, y and z , none are better than the other , just different . I shoot bullets and pellets from hand cast to store bought and anything/everything in between from my air rifles . I absolutely love this hobby . I have nothing to prove to anyone other than the big smile on my face when I pull the trigger and hit what I’m aiming at . I sure hope you get there some day , it’s way easier to be happy than not . 

I say dont knock it till you've tried it.

Jiikuu, 

I’m fairly certain , no one on this forum or any other has any intentions of proving anything to you . If you don’t believe the hype , that’s fine , If you are absolutely certain it’s BS , that’s fine too . I shoot brands x, y and z , none are better than the other , just different . I shoot bullets and pellets from hand cast to store bought and anything/everything in between from my air rifles . I absolutely love this hobby . I have nothing to prove to anyone other than the big smile on my face when I pull the trigger and hit what I’m aiming at . I sure hope you get there some day , it’s way easier to be happy than not .

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I thought i wasted more of my expensive time reading this thread than the amount i paid for slug liners and slugs but not until i read your message. I will prove or disprove the allegations of accuracy my self at my own expense because i enjoy doing it. Results will not be used to disprove someone or anyone in this forum.

Guys were getting good results with slug's way before it was cool fyi. I think FX just brought slugs into the mainstream as far as pelletguns go. Slug's have a huge advantage at long range and this has been proven, especially in heavy wind. The issue is we have no standards in barrels so the slug has to match the barrel specifically. What works in gun X might not work well in gun Y or Z. Size is very important as well as twist rates for given caliber. The goal is to achieve consistent results and learn from mistakes. 

Woah Im fairly shocked you all go after me Im just asking to see where I can find that material since Iv never honestly seen or find one. 

And as said I consider it impossible in realworld where variables change. You may have the best shooter, best gun with 100% rate of sending projectiles same way each time and still be alot off from target by the time it reaches 200yds. I assume people dont really know how much it is to ask that accuracy like that out from subsonic speeds and ultra light projectiles. Some powderburners promise sub moa accuracy by using certain ammo till 100yds but never seen anyone wanting to make same statement till 200yd. No offense to anyone. Peace.