I did a T-nut rail install on my new Daystate Revere!

Hey Y'all! 

I received my Revere about a week ago and have been spending some time getting to know it when I'm home from work. It's a keeper! Even more than a keeper, I can tell it's going to become one of my favorites (if not my #1). 

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Like all my rifles, it needed a picatinny rail for the bipod. 

Today was the day for drilling into that beautiful stock! Here's a peek at the revere with the stock off...

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For this install, I decided on the BT34 rail from Atlas. While I love Accu-Tac for bipods, I like Atlas for rails. 

I started out by putting some blue painters tape on the stock in order to protect the finish and then marked the locations for the holes, front and back.. 
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Next up was finding the center line. I couldn't find my center finder tool so, I went old school and grabbed a set of combination squares. Back and forth I went until I found dead center. (It's right around 7/8" if you're planning on doing this to yours.)

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Now that I had crosshairs on the holes, it was time to center punch and drill some pilot holes. I drill the small pilot holes all the way through in order to give myself a perpendicular landmark on the inside of the stock. That way, I know I'm in the right spot and can tell if I'm drilling straight. 

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The drill bit looks big in this pic, for some reason. It wasn't though. Pilot holes are normally very small. 

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Many Daystate rifles come with incredibly thin stocks (Red Wolf, Wolverine) and T-nuts may be too thick to be used. This is that point where you need to make a decision on what type of fasteners you want to use. But, how can you tell the true thickness when the stock is so curvy?

Here's a quick and easy idea to tell how thick of material you're working with... After you drill the pilot holes, stick the base of the drill bit back into the hole until it's flush with the inside. Mark it with a Sharpie and take it back out. Bingo! Instant depth gauge! 

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Next up is drilling with the paddle bit. This is where things can get intimidating. I could have made a jig to hold the oddly shaped stock perfectly level but, I decided to "wing it" for this one. I laid a couple levels on the stock and got to drilling. I rolled up a towel in order to lay the stock on. I knew there was a remote chance that it could get caught up in the drill but, I had no plans on going all the way through. It allowed me to adjust the stock as needed to keep it squared up and protected the finish. 

This part sucks so, take your time with it. It's better to take little bites at a time rather than possibly go too deep and cause some other headaches. 

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Once the paddle bit hole is deep enough to allow for a flush fit of the T-nuts, it's time to drill all the way through with a 1/4 drill bit. This is where that pilot hole can come in handy. You can flip the stock over and drill right on through. I had everything set up already from the paddle bit so, I just went for it from the inside of the stock. It's a risky short cut but, I felt confident.

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A quick test install revealed the difference in depths I would be working with. I would have to cut down one of the screws so that it wouldn't hit the air tube. The bench grinder made quick work of it. I also hammered the teeth on the T-nuts flat. If I was working with thicker and softer material, I'd leave them alone. They work fine like this. You just have to press on them when you run the screws in. 

The test install also showed me that I was a bit crooked. Probably from when I used that short cut to drill the 1/4" holes. I grabbed a wood file and moved the holes ever so slightly. 

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Presto! Bada Bing! A new rail is installed! I like how thin and small the BT34 is for a rifle like this. It doesn't stick out too much and take away from the beauty of the rifle. 

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If it's your first time taking on a project like this, just take your time and measure twice! 

Happy Shooting! 

Tomcat




 
I never dared to pierce a beautiful stock for fear of damaging it, and seeing the final result of some artists has given me more fear. But seeing Tominco as he does that work, everything seems easier.

Thanks for sharing

Regards

Enkey

Thank you @enkey, that's a very nice compliment!



I've done this enough times that it doesn't intimidate me as much any more. I just make my moves in a meticulous way and get through it. The job usually doesn't take very long to do. This one probably took me twice as long due to stopping to set up and take pictures along the way! LOL! It's worth it, though, if it helps a fellow shooter. 

Happy Shooting!
 
Excellent job. I have installed several sets using the same method. In stocks with sufficient wood thickness, I think the T nuts are often unnecessary, and a good wood screw is more than sufficient. I have used screws with studs and pic rails under the pressure of sling tension in position shooting, and they held fine. For bipod use, very little tension is applied, and the additional strength of the T nut is usually not needed, but it certainly does no harm. 
 
Excellent job. I have installed several sets using the same method. In stocks with sufficient wood thickness, I think the T nuts are often unnecessary, and a good wood screw is more than sufficient. I have used screws with studs and pic rails under the pressure of sling tension in position shooting, and they held fine. For bipod use, very little tension is applied, and the additional strength of the T nut is usually not needed, but it certainly does no harm.

Very true! Thanks!
 
Tomcat! Nice install, as always, and thanks for letting me add onto your tread!

Folks, I don’t know what specialty tool Tomcat uses to accomplish perfect centerlines on stocks for pic rails, but I.D like to share with you all a simple solution I’ve found that has worked for me two times so far, on PCP stocks, for finding dead center.

First, the whole theory. Some of you construction cats may know this, but in the sheet metal trades where it used to be our trade had to custom make every piece we use till machinery like plasmas came out, we would have to lay out patterns on raw flat sheet metal thru geometric construction, turn those flat pieces of metal into what I call “art”. While every other trade bought there materials, the sheet metal worker had to custom make his-

so basic lesson, how to bisect a horizontal line to find true center. This is the basic lesson in TRIANGULATION, which is to be able to find a 3rd point using two known points-

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You need a compass for this, and for using it on a stock it would have to be one with a pencil lead on one leg. Before I go on, please forgive me for the cartoon demonstrations. It’s how I did it when I used to teach the trade to apprentices.

if you drew any horizontal or vertical line, and if you had no tape measure or ruler, you could swing arcs to get perfect center. Just open up the legs of the compass wide enough to go past your “guessed center of the line”. You could actually even set the legs open as wide as from one end of the line to the other. Doesn’t matter, so long as it’s wider than the guesses center.

once that leg width is determined, we swing a continuous arc through the horizontal line on the left side, then do the same from the right side. Remember to not change the radius (R) that you preset for the first arc.



the end result will be two “X” points. Place a straight edge on those X points, project the bisected line thru the horizontal line and you have true center!

in sheet metal roofing, where we want to set panels up on a roof so the widths come out evenly spaced at the ends of a roof we would use our tape measures to strike the arcs to find true center, or used the 3-4-5 method. That’s another lesson.



so here was the concept, let’s move onto the stock...
 
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The set up- place the stock with the underside facing up. Follow all of Tomcats instructions from taping the stock and measuring the screw holes of the pic rail. Lay two scrap 2x4’s next to the stock, one at each side as shown. The 1 1/2” thickness of wood is needed to get our compass legs as slide to flat as possible.

like the pic shows, carefully square up the screw marks to lines onto the 2x4. PCP stocks on the bottoms are usually with out a taper, due to the stock being made to fit around an air tube or a bottle.



whatever length you make it on the line on one 2x4, do the same to the rest.



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Use s a combination square or framing square to make sure all lines are even with each other and are identical in horizontal length. Take your time on this.
 
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This is an end view looking at the front of the stock towards the rear. As explained earlier, eyeball where you think center of the stock is, and with one leg of the compass on the end of one horizontal line, extend the other leg outwards past what you think is halfway. More is better, as it’ll give you bigger arcs.

this is your Radius point. Once this is set, lock it on place or be careful not to turn the compasses adjustment knob!



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It’s SCHWIINGGG time.

looking at my cartoon instruction, set one leg of the compass and swing wild arcs with the leg that has the pencil onto your stock. Do two arcs on each line, from each side of each line. You should end up with 4 arcs, two on top, two on bottom, that have crossed each other as shown!

on the downhill now!!



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Where these two intersections meet, place a straight edge on the X’s, project thru from one X to the next, and you now have true center. Feel free to drill away.



hope this helps! 

Thank you very much! I’m here on Fridays, lol!!!!