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    Nutcracker
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    Any reason, safety or otherwise you could not camo-hydro-dip your carbon fiber bottle on your PCP air rifle?  I know covering up the DOT & Specs, would not be good.  But you could cover that area with a  piece of vinyl adhesive tape etc. so you could pull it off if & when the need arises. 

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    I know this is not a airgun answer but I did run into a few Paintball shops that would not touch filling any type of painted or wrapped tanks .I would say hydro dipping it wouldn’t hurt it at all but if you fill it at a scuba or Paintball shop ,I would make sure they will still fill it after you dip it.:)

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    “dodge3500”I know this is not a airgun answer but I did run into a few Paintball shops that would not touch filling any type of painted or wrapped tanks .I would say hydro dipping it wouldn’t hurt it at all but I’ll if you fill it at a scuba or Paintball shop ,I would make sure they will still fill it after you dip it.:)
    That makes sense, I can’t blame them.  I fill from a 200 CF  nitrogen tank. 
     

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    Most people fill their cf bottles on their rifle at home. It is their scuba or scba tank that you take to the paintball or dive shop for a fill. 

    The main reason not to hydro dip anything on your gun is that you might want to sell it some day. You would limit potential buyers to people with your taste. Personally, I would never buy an air gun that someone has covered in camo paint etc. I think it looks hideous but that’s my taste. I like to keep my guns in factory condition. 

    There is no reason it would damage your bottle as long as the valve was sealed. After all they are made to be air tight. Maybe keep it off the threads though…

     

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    “zebra”Most people fill their cf bottles on their rifle at home. It is their scuba or scba tank that you take to the paintball or dive shop for a fill. 

    The main reason not to hydro dip anything on your gun is that you might want to sell it some day. You would limit potential buyers to people with your taste. Personally, I would never buy an air gun that someone has covered in camo paint etc. I think it looks hideous but that’s my taste. I like to keep my guns in factory condition. 

    There is no reason it would damage your bottle as long as the valve was sealed. After all they are made to be air tight. Maybe keep it off the threads though…

     
    I agree about resell.  I like my guns camouflaged since I am into hunting more than shooting or collecting. Probably not even that big of an edge, but I guess it is kind of  physiological . Power positive thinking if I think it helps, it does.  I also agree they are not really things of beauty, after the treatment. But it sound like other than that if is ok.  I will be doing it in a few weeks if I can get my ducks in a row.
     

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    I had my wildcat with the airtube hydrodipped . Just tape off the threads.

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    Tell the guy who is hydrodipping it that you want part of it left like it is .He will be able to make it look nice and sharp . Post a pic when your done !
    Fast Eddie , lets see the Wildcat

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    I’m just waiting on a new scope ( Hawke sidewinder tactical 30, 8.5-25×42). It should be here Monday. The pattern is woodland digital camouflage.

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    Awesome.

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    . There’s my old Cricket . It looks wild . I wanted to do carbon fiber but the guy who did it said it would look funny because shape of the stock would stretch film too much

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    Sweet!!!!

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    Cool. The trigger guard opening with the space between  the boards makes it look like a snake eye.

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    “zebra”Most people fill their cf bottles on their rifle at home. It is their scuba or scba tank that you take to the paintball or dive shop for a fill. 

    The main reason not to hydro dip anything on your gun is that you might want to sell it some day. You would limit potential buyers to people with your taste. Personally, I would never buy an air gun that someone has covered in camo paint etc. I think it looks hideous but that’s my taste. I like to keep my guns in factory condition. 

    There is no reason it would damage your bottle as long as the valve was sealed. After all they are made to be air tight. Maybe keep it off the threads though…

     
    I agree about resell.  I like my guns camouflaged since I am into hunting more than shooting or collecting. Probably not even that big of an edge, but I guess it is kind of  physiological . Power positive thinking if I think it helps, it does.  I also agree they are not really things of beauty, after the treatment. But it sound like other than that if is ok.  I will be doing it in a few weeks if I can get my ducks in a row.
     

    
I only hunt with my air rifles, I never really target shoot or plink and while I would never camo my Cricket, I am curious to know how much it makes a difference. At the distances I shoot from, the squirrels don’t seem to notice me unless I make a noise or move too much. If I shoot and miss, they often make incorrect assumptions about where the danger is coming from and run towards me instead of away. I tend to shoot down from a higher position than them so the pellet hits the ground behind them. For this reason, I’m fairly sure they generally can’t see where the danger is coming from.

    My guess would be that animals are more likely to spot something that is unnaturally reflective than my black on black rifle. Nothing in nature is as reflective as man-made coatings except water. Some of those dips looks fairly glossy in the pics. 

    I believe that some of the dips are designed to be removable so you could get the best of both worlds from your perspective.

     

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    “JoeWayneRhea”. There’s my old Cricket . It looks wild . I wanted to do carbon fiber but the guy who did it said it would look funny because shape of the stock would stretch film too much

    
He managed to persuade you to go with bright red snake skin because carbon fiber would look funny? That is one hell of a salesman!

    I assume he was talking about carbon fiber vinyl and not real carbon fiber or a cf hydro dip? Vinyl would certainly be difficult to apply to a Cricket stock in one piece without air bubbles or creases. I have a business that makes multi-layered projector screens and applying adhesive films is difficult even on a completely flat surface sometimes. 

    I am 3/4 of the way into making a real carbon fiber Cricket stock and I had a lot of problems making a viable mold for the bottom half due to it’s shape. I eventually decided to modify the design to a more carbon fiber friendly shape. I removed the 2 support columns as they aren’t needed with cf anyway and I opted to use standard AR-15 grips instead of the original pistol grip shape. This pic was taken a few weeks ago when it first came out the oven. This was before it was trimmed, sanded and coated but you’ll get the idea:

    http://postimg.org/image/brkexm83n/

    I plan on painting and adding a dull matte finish to the stock as carbon fiber is very reflective (even though I do love that glassy cf look). 

     

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    Yeah he showed me a carbon fiber that was done on a shotgun stock ..Where it stretches it takes on a diamond shape . The red cobra was my idea :) …. The hydrodipping canbe removed , but on mine he sanded it lightly and primed it before painting it red and then dipping . When it’s prepared like that its as durable as car paint .Mine also has clear coat over it

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    “zebra”Most people fill their cf bottles on their rifle at home. It is their scuba or scba tank that you take to the paintball or dive shop for a fill. 

    The main reason not to hydro dip anything on your gun is that you might want to sell it some day. You would limit potential buyers to people with your taste. Personally, I would never buy an air gun that someone has covered in camo paint etc. I think it looks hideous but that’s my taste. I like to keep my guns in factory condition. 

    There is no reason it would damage your bottle as long as the valve was sealed. After all they are made to be air tight. Maybe keep it off the threads though…

     
    I agree about resell.  I like my guns camouflaged since I am into hunting more than shooting or collecting. Probably not even that big of an edge, but I guess it is kind of  physiological . Power positive thinking if I think it helps, it does.  I also agree they are not really things of beauty, after the treatment. But it sound like other than that if is ok.  I will be doing it in a few weeks if I can get my ducks in a row.

     

    
I only hunt with my air rifles, I never really target shoot or plink and while I would never camo my Cricket, I am curious to know how much it makes a difference. At the distances I shoot from, the squirrels don’t seem to notice me unless I make a noise or move too much. If I shoot and miss, they often make incorrect assumptions about where the danger is coming from and run towards me instead of away. I tend to shoot down from a higher position than them so the pellet hits the ground behind them. For this reason, I’m fairly sure they generally can’t see where the danger is coming from.

    My guess would be that animals are more likely to spot something that is unnaturally reflective than my black on black rifle. Nothing in nature is as reflective as man-made coatings except water. Some of those dips looks fairly glossy in the pics. 

    I believe that some of the dips are designed to be removable so you could get the best of both worlds from your perspective.

    I don’t think a non glossy wood stock is much of a problem, but I do think black is very noticeable.  I know a black Bear is huge, but when we encounter one in the woods we can see him a mile away, even through trees.  the black color  really stand out.  they may be shiny , but even other black colors are not really a natural or normal color you see in the woods where I hunt.  If I am in woods where I am not going to encounter OP, then I cover my self up pretty good in camo, even my face.

     

     

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    “zebra”Most people fill their cf bottles on their rifle at home. It is their scuba or scba tank that you take to the paintball or dive shop for a fill. 

    The main reason not to hydro dip anything on your gun is that you might want to sell it some day. You would limit potential buyers to people with your taste. Personally, I would never buy an air gun that someone has covered in camo paint etc. I think it looks hideous but that’s my taste. I like to keep my guns in factory condition. 

    There is no reason it would damage your bottle as long as the valve was sealed. After all they are made to be air tight. Maybe keep it off the threads though…

     
    I agree about resell.  I like my guns camouflaged since I am into hunting more than shooting or collecting. Probably not even that big of an edge, but I guess it is kind of  physiological . Power positive thinking if I think it helps, it does.  I also agree they are not really things of beauty, after the treatment. But it sound like other than that if is ok.  I will be doing it in a few weeks if I can get my ducks in a row.

     

    
I only hunt with my air rifles, I never really target shoot or plink and while I would never camo my Cricket, I am curious to know how much it makes a difference. At the distances I shoot from, the squirrels don’t seem to notice me unless I make a noise or move too much. If I shoot and miss, they often make incorrect assumptions about where the danger is coming from and run towards me instead of away. I tend to shoot down from a higher position than them so the pellet hits the ground behind them. For this reason, I’m fairly sure they generally can’t see where the danger is coming from.

    My guess would be that animals are more likely to spot something that is unnaturally reflective than my black on black rifle. Nothing in nature is as reflective as man-made coatings except water. Some of those dips looks fairly glossy in the pics. 

    I believe that some of the dips are designed to be removable so you could get the best of both worlds from your perspective.

    I don’t think a non glossy wood stock is much of a problem, but I do think black is very noticeable.  I know a black Bear is huge, but when we encounter one in the woods we can see him a mile away, even through trees.  the black color  really stand out.  they may be shiny , but even other black colors are not really a natural or normal color you see in the woods where I hunt.  If I am in woods where I am not going to encounter OP, then I cover my self up pretty good in camo, even my face.

     

     

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    “JoeWayneRhea”Yeah he showed me a carbon fiber that was done on a shotgun stock ..Where it stretches it takes on a diamond shape . The red cobra was my idea :) …. The hydrodipping canbe removed , but on mine he sanded it lightly and primed it before painting it red and then dipping . When it’s prepared like that its as durable as car paint .Mine also has clear coat over it

    
How come you didn’t use a carbon fiber dip instead of vinyl? Surely dipping one pattern is the same as any other in terms of difficulty. 

    The red cobra definitely stands out. It looks like textured vinyl in the pic which shows how good the image quality is on a dip. It really is a cool technology. I could see a use for it in my home theater business. The red isn’t my taste but I can appreciate a quality job.

    A lot of the air gun community loves to customize and mod their air guns. I am a little suprised that there are so few companies that support it. I can only think of 2 or 3 custom air gun stock makers and a handful of aftermarket upgrades for a small number of air rifle brands. The market for upgrades for mid – high end air guns is almost completely unsupported. They assume that people would only ever upgrade an Mrod or Airforce gun but never a Cricket or Wildcat.

    While dipping isn’t my thing, I would totally buy other high quality custom parts for my Cricket if they were available. Making them myself is so time consuming. 

    I wanted to ask about the shroud and cheek rest in your pics. Are they real carbon fiber or are they dipped?

    The shroud on my Cricket is covered with a CF tube I made and I just finished making a mold to make a cf cheek rest. I would prefer an all carbon fiber shroud as my goal is to make a lighter Cricket instead of adding weight… I can make the outer shells ok but I’ve never made a shroud and baffles etc. If I could buy a cf shroud ready made, that would save me a lot of time as I don’t feel like learning how to make LDCs.

    I guess I should ask… If the shroud is real CF, is it actually lighter than the original? The CF LDC I bought for another air rifle works very well but it weighs a ton because it’s full of metal baffles….

    At $1500 for an air gun, people shouldn’t have to do the camo job themselves. The manufacturers should offer people a choice of finish just like car manufacturers.

    We should all start a new thread to tell the manufacturers what we want them to add for their next air rifle….

     

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    “At $1500 for an air gun, people shouldn’t have to do the camo job themselves. The manufacturers should offer people a choice of finish just like car manufacturers.”

    @ Zebra , boy ain;t that the truth. I can see not so many options on the lower end rifles, but when you get up over 1000.00 you really should start getting a little more options. Like sling studs, synthetic or wood stocks, quiet shroud or moderator, & camo or standard.

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