HW80 and HW95..help me sort this out.

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    TiredRooster
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    I have a simple question (that is if you know the answer), which I obviously don't. Been looking at the Weihrauchs and doing a good bit of reading. What IS the difference between the HW80 and the HW95. The only thing that I can surmise is that they are bedded in different stocks and the 80 is heavier than the 95. Guess from the stock difference. Are they the same rifle other than this?

    I'll shut up and listen.

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    JoeWayneRhea
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    No they aren't the same but both are great guns . The 80 is a true " magnum Springer " with the cocking effort and recoil that goes along with it . It's actually the easiest to shoot ( for me anyway ) magnum Springer I ever shot . Just point , hold , and ….Bam pellet on target . It's an incredible rifle and the recoil is fast and straight back . …The HW95 is a medium powered rifle that is easier to cock and easier to shoot well because the recoil is much lighter along with the overall gun. The 80 is a 300 mag ,  the 95 is a 243. That's about the best way I know to put it . If I ever buy another magnum Springer the 80 is the Only one on my list …..The 95 is one of those rifles Every Airgunner should own at least one ….Along with a HW30 and 35 . Hope this helps some . 

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    TiredRooster
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    Joe. That does help a lot. I currently have an RWS 34P, which I just got not long ago and I truly do love it and enjoy the heck out of it. I shoot it very well also….easy gun to shoot. But I am gonna save my pennies and probably get a Weihrauch at some point. The 80 and 95 are on my radar pretty much exclusively. Leaning toward the 80…….decisions, decisions. Wanting it in .22….back yard target shooting and also a squirrel capable gun is what I want. The quality on these appear to be superb.

    Thank you

    TR

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    intenseaty22
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    When looking at both models at AoA website, the 95 is only available in .177 & .22, while the 80 is available in all 4 calibers. 

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    ChuckHunter
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    The HW80 is a 30mm piston with a pretty heavy spring. The HW95 is a 26mm piston with a medium power spring. The 80 has a faster shot cycle like Joe said and is a great hunting springer. I have the 80 tuned to just under 20fpe in .22 cal carbine barrel and have a full length .20 cal barrel that can be swapped out pretty easily…

    Also thinking about selling it to feed my PCP addiction! Lol.

    James from Michigan, 

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    TiredRooster
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    Thank you fellas so much for the information. All this is helping me in my thought process. Another question….these rifles are offered in carbine length barrels. What I have really been curious about is how barrel length effects velocityaccuracy and range in an air rifle. I understand the pros/cons in firearms. But, what effect does barrel length have on these air rifles?

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    TiredRooster

    Thank you fellas so much for the information. All this is helping me in my thought process. Another question….these rifles are offered in carbine length barrels. What I have really been curious about is how barrel length effects velocityaccuracy and range in an air rifle. I understand the pros/cons in firearms. But, what effect does barrel length have on these air rifles?

    I'll shut up and listen again.

    Thank you.

    I have been doing quite a bit of research lately on this subject. On Springers in particular there are a couple trains of thought. So, the general thought and consensus is that a longer barrel leads to more accuracy. However, on a springer that may work against it because of the slower velocities, the pellet may still be in the barrel and be affected by the recoil of the spring. There is also the argument that beyond a certain length, there just isn't enough air behind the pellet to continue to push it, so the longer barrel only serves to slow it down due to friction. 

    Now to throw mud on this, that research is said to be not so relevant to current day Magnum springers, but there is a lot of disagreement on this as well. I personally would suggest you to first decide what you want out of the gun. Once you decide on the right gun, try and see how it is grouping for other folk out there. For example, the TX200 has a pretty short barrel 9-10? inches, but it is known to be pretty accurate. Then again the same thing can be said for longer barreled guns. My LGV(s) shoots really tight groups at 30 yards, and it's barrel is almost 18" long. 

    Hope this has confused you enough. LOL!

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    EMrider
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    I own several HW and AA springers and am a huge fan of quality German or UK built spring airguns.  With proper setup, I can get accuracy that rivals my PCPs inside of 30 yards.  

    The hw95/hw97k platform is an awesome and time-tested design that delivers excellent accuracy, good power and a pleasant shot cycle.  In contrast, the hw80/R1 is the only springer that I ended up selling.  IMHO the 30mm pressure chamber results in a shot cycle that is harsh at any power level.  In short, I found the gun to be a brute that could not be tamed.  

    If you could only have one quality springer (perish the thought), the hw95 would be my choice by a wide margin.

    Good luck choosing.

    R

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    JoeWayneRhea
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    I've had several rifles that I've owned in karbine and standard versions …To me the biggest difference is the cocking effort. The longer barrels give you quite a bit more leverage .

      I probably wouldn't have thought it such a big deal before some health problems ….Along with getting OLD :)

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    greenterror
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    A side by side pic of a Beeman R1, (same as an hw80) next to an hw95, just for kicks. Everything the guys here said is true. The only thing I would add is…If you already own an RWS Diana 34, a gun that is a direct competitor to the HW95 your need for a 95 is diminished by the fact you own a 34. So if I were in your position, I would be looking to step up my spring gun game, as opposed to getting a gun that is pretty much in the same league as a gun I already had. I would get the HW80 along with all the challenges that come with a great higher power spring gun. Cheers, best wishes with your decision.  

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    ranedouglas
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    …i would go with the hw95…     hw80 (r1) is just about the same dimensions as the rx gas spring series….big and heavy….it would be rough for me to carry around in the hunt unless i was arnold schwartz – but that's just me , and i too am getting too old for magnums……many shooters do , however , enjoy the heavier euro airguns because they are more accurate due to sturdiness containing the recoil (air arms for ex).   there is still much debate about barrel length and what it actually does.  in my personal real-time experiences , i find 17" barrels to be the best on most springers (eg. noble patriot , kodiak , diana 48, various uk webleys).  most manufacturers produce 19" and 16" barrels.  i've had a regular r1 right along beside an hw80k – both in .22.  i've had diana 36 right along side of a diana 36c – both .177.  i've had uk xocets along side xocet xs (extra silent – 14" barrel with silencer) rifles – all in .177  ….  they all had less muzzle velocity with the carbine-type barrels, and many were too light out on the end to ensure accuracy thru the shot cycle.  but i liked the diana 34 pro-compact (860 fps) better than the diana 34 (920 fps)…….and my all-time favorite airgun, the uk webley longbow, would never seem right with a full-length barrel – it'd be like fishing with a long cane pole in an ice-fishing hut….   i just resealed a guys .22 r1 with macarri seal and spring.  it quickly broke in at 760 fps with premiers.  the r9 goldfinger i had with vortek pg2 kit shot .22 ftt's at 745 fps.  in my experience , the .20 / 5mm r9 or hw95 was by far the most efficient of all four calibers of r9's ive had when i consider range, power and handiness (but all were great airguns)….that same r9 goldfinger with pg2 kit would always shoot 800 fps with the 11.4 grain ftt's and be a dream to carry around and shoot quickly – over and over.   

      

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    TiredRooster
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    I greatly appreciate all the advice and input you fellas have offered up. It has really helped me sort out some of the questions I had. It also got me to thinking about some things that I wasn't thinking about before…..LOL. But thats a good thing when considering letting go of this kinda money. I'm not ready to squeeze the trigger on one just yet any way. Hopefully right after Christmas or first of the year. Which ain't long! But I'll keep working that spring on the 34 every chance I get in the mean time. I really love that Diana 34.

    BTW….I found a YOUTUBE video of a walk through of the Weihrauch plant in Germany. It showed the step by step production of their rifles. Everything built/manufactured in house to control the quality. And I was really VERY impressed with the high level of craftsmanship that is put into these rifles. Every step of the way, every piece is checked by hand, by a craftsman to ensure tolerances and quality. They of course use high tech equipment as well, but the level of actual man labor and attention to detail at every step was impressive. Seeing that made me smile and understand why they cost what they do. You truly are paying for a quality that is becoming more and more difficult to find in todays world.

    Thanks guys

    TR

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    mikebeggs
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    HW 95 Luxus with built in Weihrauch moderator available from : https://www.versandhaus-schneider.de/product_info.php/cPath/40_1678_942_945_951_2051/products_id/32616

    We don't get this version in the US…

     

     

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    mikebeggs
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    As mentioned above great looking version Luxus Stock and Silencer…

     

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