HW50 feedback wanted.

 I have the newer HW50S,it is accurate,a bit heavy and solid,that said it not refined as in smooth,I am sorry I bought it, I was thinking it would be between a R-7 and R-9 ,for me it is not,if I keep it,and that would because I would rework it into what it should have been,a easy to cock,smooth shooting springer,fact it not,butt it has the potential to become a keeper....I like the R-9 way better....
 
My fps/fpe numbers won't help you much cuz I'm at high altitude but mine does 8.5fpe with a full power Macarri kit. I can tell you it didn't like anything heavier than 8.44jsb (more harsh shot cycle above 8.44 gr) but prefers 7.87, and before that shot a couple thousand of the boxed 7.9gr crosman premiers. So, it seems to like midweight pellets.

My general opinion of the gun might be of use though. It's a great springer. I had both the HW77k with the laminate stock and the 50s-I kept the 50s.

The hold sensitivity of the 50s is very low compared to the 77k, making the 50s much easier to shoot. I also like the lighter weight and more compact size of the 50s over the 77k.

I always hear about how hard the model HW50s is to cock, I haven't ever thought it was hard to cock. In fact, I think the articulated cocking arm that was mentioned above is what makes the gun special. It doesn't have the typical stock fork screws at 180 degrees to each other like you see on most break-barrels. For stock fixing, It just has one big lug screw on the bottom of the forearm and a smaller screw in the trigger guard. Something about that configuration makes the gun not require loktite, nor does it develop a wandering poi problem like I've seen with typical stock screws through the fork. My guess is that the thin wood on a break barrel stock fork that the screws would regularly go through, are subject to swelling and flexing through humidity/temp changes, which equates to shifting poi and screws that won't stay tight. 

Anyway, if you decide to get one and intend to do any target work with it, you owe it to yourself to look into a barrel sleeve from Tinbum in England. It makes the gun about a pound heavier but even easier to shoot accurately. Mine, well broken-in, with the JM kit and Tinbum barrel weight/sleeve makes it almost as easy to shoot accurately as a recoilless FWB 300s. 
 
Realized that I forgot to mention why I think it is less hold sensitive.

When I was on a serious springer kick I did a ton of research and talked to guys a lot smarter than me when it comes to springers. I don't remember the exact values but the stroke length of the 77/97/95/98 are all about the same, whereas the stroke length of the 50s is shorter than the others I just listed. The 26mm comp tube is shared across the 50/97/77/95/98 but the shorter stroke length of the 50 means the pellet is gone faster. We're talking milliseconds here but the 50 is simply easier to shoot and isn't as picky about how it is held. 

It seems like I remember the 50 stroke length was about 10-12 mm longer than a 30 and about 15mm shorter than the 77/97/95/98. That, obviously, puts it right in the middle, which allows it to generate enough energy to be useful but not enough for it to get hold sensitive and jumpy (unless you really space up the spring.)

I tested all this out by putting a short stroke piston nose cap from Tinbum in the 77k. It greatly reduced the hold sensitivity and only cost me about 0.5fpe (with a couple washers to space up the spring again). BUT, the 77k was still heavier and less nimble than the 50, and the 50 was still slightly less hold sensitive. 

If I ever end up with a 77/97/98/95 again, it will get a short stroke nose cap. In the meantime, I'm pretty happy with my 50s and have no intentions of trying out the longer piston stroke/heavier/bigger family of 26mm comp tube HWs again.

For further context, I even tried out two specimens of the new version of the FWB Sport that goes for $500-$700. The Sport had/has nothing on the 50s and I no longer have a FWB Sport. 
 
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HI guys

I just jumped on the 50S bandwagon. Got a great deal on this Stainless. It's a 22 caliber. Hasn't arrived yet, but I'm so looking forward to seeing what it can do!!
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intenseaty22,

For me, rifles such as the HW50S do not run at best efficiency with such heavy pellets.

The HW50S has, arguably, the best bore & stroke for a sub 12 ft.lb rifle.

My HW99S (British designation of the HW50S) is at its most efficient with the JSB Express pellet (7.87 gr.)

JSB RS (7.33 gr.) & JSB Exact (8.4 gr.) are almost as efficient - tests with the JSB Heavy (10.34 gr.) & JSB Monster 13.42 gr.) pellets, show energies about 2 ft.lb less than with the Express (7.87 gr.), and a very nasty firing cycle.

Have fun & a good Sunday :)

Best regards

Russ


 
PhatMan, thanks for your input. Most folk seem to agree on this platform’s pellet weight choice as noted in their comments as being the lighter ones. However, since you mention specifically “sub 12 ft.lb rifle” I think my original inquiry was about how the heavier pellets would perform in a FAC platform. My LGV is tuned down to 12fpe right now, I was looking to shoot a bit above 12fpe if I got the HW50, not sure. Either way I may be tempted to get one as a lighter alternative to the LGV, I can always decide to tune down, or leave stock. 

Cheers!

Christian


 
Some random musings on this gun. It is rather interesting the lack of reviews to be found on it. I mean, you jump on YouTube and you will find your fill of TX200, HW97, HW30, etc reviews. There may be 3 all together on the HW50, one from AoA that is fairly old already and a couple other that are less than stellar. The opinions here on this gun is fairly split, ya’ll either love it or hate it, yet have not seen any for sale on the Classifieds. Either no one is buying them, or they like them too much to sell? I’m not looking to buy one (yet) but I do look at these things.