Huma with an ES of 58?! = a Wacky Regulator –or– a Wacky Operator 🙄 ?

Huma with an ES of 58?! = a Wacky Regulator –or– a Wacky Operator 🙄 ?


OK, help me out here. I have a Huma reg. in my Skyhawk .22
And it used to give me an extreme spread (ES) of 20fps at most when the reg was set to 130bar. 👍🏼 


Now, recently I have set the regulator to 150bar (=max.) and I get an ES of 58...?! (cf. pic below) 😡 
What's up with that?! 🤔 



Related Question: 
I really don't understand what happens inside the regulator, forgive my ignorance. 

But I'm wondering....

The Huma regulator has a sticker on it with a scale from 70 bar to 150 bar, and in the center is the regulating screw with a thin line (an indentation), I assume this is what marks the setting the regulator is set it.

❔ Now...., what happens if I turn the regulator screw from 130bar to 140bar, to 150bar – and then a quarter turn more....? 
Does the regulator setting jump back down from 150bar to 70, as the scale on the sticker says? 🤔 
Or does that break the regulator? 🤔
Or....? 🤔


Matthias

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All pcp guns I tune , if I swap out reg setting say to get power for heavier ammo , you always need to adjust hammer weights and springs , and also port sizes matter in transfer ports and and valve size for air flow , but on all PCP guns , there is a point where gun shoots like yours , it is not tuned to shoot 150 bar , I have found if a regulator ES rises from say 10fps to say 20fps with same ammo , usually I will disassemble clean lube washers and swap orings and make sure other things ok like nothing binding in hammer spring , Lastly 150 bar sounds very high for this speed , ca you increase volume and lower reg pressure it will shoot better and be less violent , but your reg is too high for the valve to open fully

inside huma regs is the piston , the housing some orings and bevelle springs , , if you need to rebuild just clean and replace orings and lightly grease things , other then this polishing inner washers so they slide better on shaft , makes them preform a bit better , I have never had one fail , but I have had 2 of the adjuster screws clog and get 0 output , this was not the regs fault it is a tiny hole both times it was a oring mini piece which had made it in there ,

lastly the adjustment screw is set for approx settings you can remove screw and replace seals , and check your pressure with a huma reg tester , sometimes labels are not exact , also if you want to clean and oil it , do you own a huma reg tester ? or other tester , their is many videos if you ever need to service that reg or to lube it , but I would bet it is fine ,

LOU
 
Thanks, guys, tomorrow I'll take the thing apart again, I guess....

What I learned from the comments here (and @ GTA):



🔶 The reg might be adjusted beyond its max. of 150bar, because the markings aren't fail safe, there are no clicks, so where exactly the max. setting is — well, anybody's guess.... 



🔶What I didn't read in the Huma instructions — and should have:

Turn the reg a little beyond the intended value, and then turn it back to the intended value. (E.g., to get from 100 to 130bar, turn to 140bar first, and then back to 130.)



🔶I might very well have a problem with the HST not being stiff enough — however, the cause of the weird ES seems to be first of all the regulator.

I will turn it tomorrow from an indicated 150bar to an indicated 140bar (supposedly that will give me 145 or 150 actual set point).

If I still get big ES, then the HST is too weak — and finding a stiffer spring has been a real challenge, nothing found so far.... 😟 



Hope you all have a great week! 😊

Matthias
 
That's why I made a different hammer for my gun. I made one that would accommodate a .36 diameter spring which is very common. I use a 34lb spring in my gun set at 150b. My ES is like 3fps. But I did give my reg some time to break in before I judged it. Did you? If you want to shoot at 150b, you are going to need a spring that before you have it maxed out, you will see your velocity flatten out. Then you can back it off 10-20 fps and your gun should just be sipping air and have a nice crisp report.
 
Problem SOLVED! ✔️ 😊

I dialed the regulator back just a tad little bit, worth about 10bar on the sticker from Huma.

And the shot string is now consistent.



🔶 Moral of the story for me:

When adjusting a regulator right up at its upper or lower limits do take care of not passing that limit, and rather err on the safe side (unless you enjoy disassembling your gun and pumping from empty, of course!). 



Thanks for all your help. 👍🏼 😊


 
Problem SOLVED!
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I dialed the regulator back just a tad little bit, worth about 10bar on the sticker from Huma.

And the shot string is now consistent.



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Moral of the story for me:

When adjusting a regulator right up at its upper or lower limits do take care of not passing that limit, and rather err on the safe side (unless you enjoy disassembling your gun and pumping from empty, of course!). 



Thanks for all your help.
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