HUMA REGULATORS VS. FX REGULATORS FOR WILDCAT & STREAMLINE

My FX Wildcat was my first regulated air rifle. I assumed that the FX regulator would always give me a consistent shot string – and in the very beginning it did – but eventually it began fluctuating up or down badly. These fluctuations revealed themselves on the target at 50 yards as shots hitting above or below the normal point of impact…it would be perfect for awhile and then start acting up again. Because I naively believed the FX regulator would always be consistent I assumed that my scope was not holding zero. So I sent my scope back thinking that it wasn’t holding zero and that it was the cause of the problem. However, I discovered the problem was with the regulator and not the scope after all. 

So I contacted Huub Andriessen, the owner of Huma regulators and he sent me a Wildcat parts drawing for which I took the appropriate measurements with my digital calipers and filled in the blanks for him. This is the very same Wildcat regulator now for sale on his website at huma-air.com and asso at Airguns of Arizona.
Best regards, Chuck
 
"CHUCK"My FX Wildcat was my first regulated air rifle. I assumed that the FX regulator would always give me a consistent shot string – and in the very beginning it did – but eventually it began fluctuating up or down badly. These fluctuations revealed themselves on the target at 50 yards as shots hitting above or below the normal point of impact…it would be perfect for awhile and then start acting up again. Because I naively believed the FX regulator would always be consistent I assumed that my scope was not holding zero. So I sent my scope at the time – a Leupold Mark AR Mod1 6-18X40 – back to Leupold several times swearing that it wasn’t holding zero, wrongly believing the scope was the problem.

Leupold finally offered to upgrade it to a VX 3i EFR Target Rifle Scope 6.5-20X40mm for free – to which I had their custom shop add a special reticle for an additional $160.00. My heart sank when I mounted the new Leupold EFR on my Wildcat and thought it was not holding zero either! The supervisor convinced me that he had checked the scope personally before shipping it to me to make sure it was holding zero, and that I should look elsewhere for the problem causing my point of impact changes.

So I got out my chronograph – which I now know I should have done in the first place – and much to my chagrin I discovered the problem was with the regulator and not the scope after all. I felt like a complete horses ass and called the guy at Leupold back to apologize and explain what I discovered. I even offered to pay the difference for the upgrade since I figured out that it wasn’t the scope’s fault after all, but he refused and told me just to chalk it up to experience. Great people at Leupold! 

Next I borrowed a reg tester from Ernest to see just exactly what was going on with the FX regulator, which revealed the terrible truth that the regulator would stay the same for a bunch of cycles, but then would fluctuate up or down badly once in awhile! So I sent the old regulator to AOA for rebuild/repair ($70.00), and had them overnight a brand new one ($220.00) for me to use while they were fixing the old one – I figured it couldn’t hurt to have a spare.

Since I was new to working on my Wildcat at the time, I broke the trigger mechanism, the air gauge, and ruined the air tube endcap. In disgust I sent my Wildcat to AOA for them to repair the damage I caused and set it up correctly again. With shipping this screw up cost me many hundreds of dollars. When I got my rifle back it was perfect again with the brand new regulator installed and the old rebuilt one for a spare against any future problems. 

But after several thousand rounds the new FX regulator developed the same fluctuations as the original one had done! I felt like screaming when I saw the proof of this…but instead, I sent an email to Huma in the Netherlands asking if they could make a regulator for my Wildcat – which is exactly the same as the one in my Streamline, just the plenum spacers are different sizes. This developed into a discourse with Huub Andriessen at Huma who graciously agreed to develop a regulator for my Wildcat, on the condition that I take all the measurements he required.

He sent me a parts drawing to which I took the appropriate measurements with my digital calipers and filled in the blanks for him. He then created not one but two regulators for me. The first prototype was about a thousandth less than ideal for me to use the regular standard size FX o-rings, so he made me a second one slightly larger to accommodate my wish to use the regular size FX reg. o-rings. This is the very same Wildcat regulator now for sale on his website and at AOA.

While I was waiting for Huub to make me a regulator for my Wildcat, I also purchased a Lancet MK8 regulator from Robert Lane in the U.K. so I could try out both of them and see which one would retain its consistency the best over time. Well for me it was the Huma Regulator hands down! I have a Huma reg in my Wildcat and a Huma reg in my Streamline, and even after thousands and thousands of shots, both Huma regulators function with flawless consistency, very low extreme spread, and a standard deviation of about 2 ft/s. As an added bonus the Huma reg gives my Streamline 51 shots - instead of the 30 shots I got from the original FX reg; and the Huma reg gives my Wildcat 64 shots instead of the 40 shots I got from the original FX regulator. 

Through that entire process I made some priceless new friends named Ernest Rowe, Huub Andriessen, Steve Buchanan and Kevin at AOA parts department. And I learned how to completely disassemble and reassemble my Wildcat correctly, without ever having to worry about shipping it clear across the country again if I need something done. And I learned from Huub how to adjust his regulators in conjunction with the rifle’s hammer spring tension to achieve the ideal perfect settings.

I now have two rifles that are unbelievably accurate and consistent that give me lots more shots per fill than they did before, and I wouldn’t trade either one of them for all the tea in China. And with all the sincerity in my heart I want to thank all you guys here at this AirgunNation forum for the many great ideas and inspiration I have received over the past couple years of trials and tribulations. I sincerely hope my humble contributions here from time to time help someone else solve a similar problem someday, or at least pinpoint what the problem is.

Thanks.Best regards, Chuck
agreed on all points but one.

I just want to understand that why one regulator gives more efficiency over the other? 

What factors are involved?

If both type ofof regs perfectly work then in such case why one type gives more shots than the other?

regards,

Umair Bhaur 
 
Well Umair,
I believe that question would be answered best by Mr. Huub Andriessen - inventor of the Huma Regulators. When I was having problems with my FX regulator I was prompted by my friend Otis to try a Huma regulator. He had installed a Huma reg in his AirArms FTP 900 Field Target Rifle that had regulator fluctuation problems about a year before. Not only did the Huma reg clear up all his problems but his FTP 900 remains problem free and operates perfectly to this day. And as an added bonus, his rifle now gets 165 shots on a fill before it falls off the reg, versus the original AirArms reg that only gave him around 100 shots on a fill.

Why do Huma regulators work so well and function so much more efficiently than others? You will have to ask Huub that but I think it is probably a secret he wants to keep to himself. I only know how they work for me and my friend Otis. By the way, Otis says his FTP 900 has a lower standard deviation than his new Thomas Field Target Rifle that cost him $3800.00...so go figure. Kind of makes me wonder why some of the airgun manufacturers don't just buy Huma regs to put in their rifles at the factory. It is obvious that the air rifle industry is now leaning heavily towards making regulated guns versus unregulated.

And the really good news is that the full line of Huma regulators are now available at Airguns of Arizona, and they will install one in a rifle for you upon request. And I can personally attest to the great work they do on rifles, and to the repair shop / parts manager Kevin's ability to get what you need done promptly.

Best regards, Chuck
 
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"CHUCK"My FX Wildcat was my first regulated air rifle. I assumed that the FX regulator would always give me a consistent shot string – and in the very beginning it did – but eventually it began fluctuating up or down badly. These fluctuations revealed themselves on the target at 50 yards as shots hitting above or below the normal point of impact…it would be perfect for awhile and then start acting up again. Because I naively believed the FX regulator would always be consistent I assumed that my scope was not holding zero. So I sent my scope at the time – a Leupold Mark AR Mod1 6-18X40 – back to Leupold several times swearing that it wasn’t holding zero, wrongly believing the scope was the problem.

Leupold finally offered to upgrade it to a VX 3i EFR Target Rifle Scope 6.5-20X40mm for free – to which I had their custom shop add a special reticle for an additional $160.00. My heart sank when I mounted the new Leupold EFR on my Wildcat and thought it was not holding zero either! The supervisor convinced me that he had checked the scope personally before shipping it to me to make sure it was holding zero, and that I should look elsewhere for the problem causing my point of impact changes.

So I got out my chronograph – which I now know I should have done in the first place – and much to my chagrin I discovered the problem was with the regulator and not the scope after all. I felt like a complete horses ass and called the guy at Leupold back to apologize and explain what I discovered. I even offered to pay the difference for the upgrade since I figured out that it wasn’t the scope’s fault after all, but he refused and told me just to chalk it up to experience. Great people at Leupold! 

Next I borrowed a reg tester from Ernest to see just exactly what was going on with the FX regulator, which revealed the terrible truth that the regulator would stay the same for a bunch of cycles, but then would fluctuate up or down badly once in awhile! So I sent the old regulator to AOA for rebuild/repair ($70.00), and had them overnight a brand new one ($220.00) for me to use while they were fixing the old one – I figured it couldn’t hurt to have a spare.

Since I was new to working on my Wildcat at the time, I broke the trigger mechanism, the air gauge, and ruined the air tube endcap. In disgust I sent my Wildcat to AOA for them to repair the damage I caused and set it up correctly again. With shipping this screw up cost me many hundreds of dollars. When I got my rifle back it was perfect again with the brand new regulator installed and the old rebuilt one for a spare against any future problems. 

But after several thousand rounds the new FX regulator developed the same fluctuations as the original one had done! I felt like screaming when I saw the proof of this…but instead, I sent an email to Huma in the Netherlands asking if they could make a regulator for my Wildcat – which is exactly the same as the one in my Streamline, just the plenum spacers are different sizes. This developed into a discourse with Huub Andriessen at Huma who graciously agreed to develop a regulator for my Wildcat, on the condition that I take all the measurements he required.

He sent me a parts drawing to which I took the appropriate measurements with my digital calipers and filled in the blanks for him. He then created not one but two regulators for me. The first prototype was about a thousandth less than ideal for me to use the regular standard size FX o-rings, so he made me a second one slightly larger to accommodate my wish to use the regular size FX reg. o-rings. This is the very same Wildcat regulator now for sale on his website and at AOA.

While I was waiting for Huub to make me a regulator for my Wildcat, I also purchased a Lancet MK8 regulator from Robert Lane in the U.K. so I could try out both of them and see which one would retain its consistency the best over time. Well for me it was the Huma Regulator hands down! I have a Huma reg in my Wildcat and a Huma reg in my Streamline, and even after thousands and thousands of shots, both Huma regulators function with flawless consistency, very low extreme spread, and a standard deviation of about 2 ft/s. As an added bonus the Huma reg gives my Streamline 51 shots - instead of the 30 shots I got from the original FX reg; and the Huma reg gives my Wildcat 64 shots instead of the 40 shots I got from the original FX regulator. 

Through that entire process I made some priceless new friends named Ernest Rowe, Huub Andriessen, Steve Buchanan and Kevin at AOA parts department. And I learned how to completely disassemble and reassemble my Wildcat correctly, without ever having to worry about shipping it clear across the country again if I need something done. And I learned from Huub how to adjust his regulators in conjunction with the rifle’s hammer spring tension to achieve the ideal perfect settings.

I now have two rifles that are unbelievably accurate and consistent that give me lots more shots per fill than they did before, and I wouldn’t trade either one of them for all the tea in China. And with all the sincerity in my heart I want to thank all you guys here at this AirgunNation forum for the many great ideas and inspiration I have received over the past couple years of trials and tribulations. I sincerely hope my humble contributions here from time to time help someone else solve a similar problem someday, or at least pinpoint what the problem is.

Thanks.Best regards, Chuck
agreed on all points but one.

I just want to understand that why one regulator gives more efficiency over the other? 

What factors are involved?

If both type ofof regs perfectly work then in such case why one type gives more shots than the other?

regards,

Umair Bhaur
from the quick look, it seems to me they take up slightly less volume so there is more air volume left for the shots in the main cylinder.
plus it seems they are recommended running at higher output pressure so it will be less likely to hammer bounce with huma fitted.
 
"sirk"
"mubhaur"
"CHUCK"My FX Wildcat was my first regulated air rifle. I assumed that the FX regulator would always give me a consistent shot string – and in the very beginning it did – but eventually it began fluctuating up or down badly. These fluctuations revealed themselves on the target at 50 yards as shots hitting above or below the normal point of impact…it would be perfect for awhile and then start acting up again. Because I naively believed the FX regulator would always be consistent I assumed that my scope was not holding zero. So I sent my scope at the time – a Leupold Mark AR Mod1 6-18X40 – back to Leupold several times swearing that it wasn’t holding zero, wrongly believing the scope was the problem.

Leupold finally offered to upgrade it to a VX 3i EFR Target Rifle Scope 6.5-20X40mm for free – to which I had their custom shop add a special reticle for an additional $160.00. My heart sank when I mounted the new Leupold EFR on my Wildcat and thought it was not holding zero either! The supervisor convinced me that he had checked the scope personally before shipping it to me to make sure it was holding zero, and that I should look elsewhere for the problem causing my point of impact changes.

So I got out my chronograph – which I now know I should have done in the first place – and much to my chagrin I discovered the problem was with the regulator and not the scope after all. I felt like a complete horses ass and called the guy at Leupold back to apologize and explain what I discovered. I even offered to pay the difference for the upgrade since I figured out that it wasn’t the scope’s fault after all, but he refused and told me just to chalk it up to experience. Great people at Leupold! 

Next I borrowed a reg tester from Ernest to see just exactly what was going on with the FX regulator, which revealed the terrible truth that the regulator would stay the same for a bunch of cycles, but then would fluctuate up or down badly once in awhile! So I sent the old regulator to AOA for rebuild/repair ($70.00), and had them overnight a brand new one ($220.00) for me to use while they were fixing the old one – I figured it couldn’t hurt to have a spare.

Since I was new to working on my Wildcat at the time, I broke the trigger mechanism, the air gauge, and ruined the air tube endcap. In disgust I sent my Wildcat to AOA for them to repair the damage I caused and set it up correctly again. With shipping this screw up cost me many hundreds of dollars. When I got my rifle back it was perfect again with the brand new regulator installed and the old rebuilt one for a spare against any future problems. 

But after several thousand rounds the new FX regulator developed the same fluctuations as the original one had done! I felt like screaming when I saw the proof of this…but instead, I sent an email to Huma in the Netherlands asking if they could make a regulator for my Wildcat – which is exactly the same as the one in my Streamline, just the plenum spacers are different sizes. This developed into a discourse with Huub Andriessen at Huma who graciously agreed to develop a regulator for my Wildcat, on the condition that I take all the measurements he required.

He sent me a parts drawing to which I took the appropriate measurements with my digital calipers and filled in the blanks for him. He then created not one but two regulators for me. The first prototype was about a thousandth less than ideal for me to use the regular standard size FX o-rings, so he made me a second one slightly larger to accommodate my wish to use the regular size FX reg. o-rings. This is the very same Wildcat regulator now for sale on his website and at AOA.

While I was waiting for Huub to make me a regulator for my Wildcat, I also purchased a Lancet MK8 regulator from Robert Lane in the U.K. so I could try out both of them and see which one would retain its consistency the best over time. Well for me it was the Huma Regulator hands down! I have a Huma reg in my Wildcat and a Huma reg in my Streamline, and even after thousands and thousands of shots, both Huma regulators function with flawless consistency, very low extreme spread, and a standard deviation of about 2 ft/s. As an added bonus the Huma reg gives my Streamline 51 shots - instead of the 30 shots I got from the original FX reg; and the Huma reg gives my Wildcat 64 shots instead of the 40 shots I got from the original FX regulator. 

Through that entire process I made some priceless new friends named Ernest Rowe, Huub Andriessen, Steve Buchanan and Kevin at AOA parts department. And I learned how to completely disassemble and reassemble my Wildcat correctly, without ever having to worry about shipping it clear across the country again if I need something done. And I learned from Huub how to adjust his regulators in conjunction with the rifle’s hammer spring tension to achieve the ideal perfect settings.

I now have two rifles that are unbelievably accurate and consistent that give me lots more shots per fill than they did before, and I wouldn’t trade either one of them for all the tea in China. And with all the sincerity in my heart I want to thank all you guys here at this AirgunNation forum for the many great ideas and inspiration I have received over the past couple years of trials and tribulations. I sincerely hope my humble contributions here from time to time help someone else solve a similar problem someday, or at least pinpoint what the problem is.

Thanks.Best regards, Chuck
agreed on all points but one.

I just want to understand that why one regulator gives more efficiency over the other? 

What factors are involved?

If both type ofof regs perfectly work then in such case why one type gives more shots than the other?

regards,

Umair Bhaur
from the quick look, it seems to me they take up slightly less volume so there is more air volume left for the shots in the main cylinder.
plus it seems they are recommended running at higher output pressure so it will be less likely to hammer bounce with huma fitted.
fx having sling shot system does not get affected by hammer bounce.

Also if you read his article againagain, he sets his reg at the lowest possible pressure.

If reg size is smaller it can't make that much difference in shot count however it can increase maximum power if size of reg translates into larger regulated chamber.
 
Thanks for the kind words you guys...and Hynzie I recommend you ask for Kevin at AOA when you call them...he is the best at getting problems solved! You may also specifically ask Kevin to have Steve Buchanan do the work for you, because he is the Wildcat Wizard there at Airguns of Arizona and a really great guy! I just wish I had known about Huma Regulators before I spent $70.00 having an FX reg rebuilt, and especially before spending $220.00 on a brand new one.

The Huma-Air regulators sell for $115.00 at AOA, so I could have bought two of the Huma regs for less money than I spent on the others if they had been available at the time. And the Huma regs are marked at the top with a tape showing reg pressure so that you can set it or change it yourself without having to use a reg tester to do so. I am going to give you guys the link for the Huma Wildcat and Streamline regulators at AOA - you will notice that they are exactly the same regulators, except the plenum spacers are a different size. 

https://www.airgunsofarizona.com/regulators/huma-regulator-for-fx-wildcat-.177-.22-and-.25/
https://www.airgunsofarizona.com/regulators/huma-regulator-for-fx-streamline-.177-.22-and-.25/

All the best, Chuck 
 
The guys from Huma are indeed magicians in the field of regulators. As far as I've seen they mostly use short pistons in their regulators which can decrease the overall size of the regulator or just give a larger plenum in the same housing. A larger plenum is able to dump it's energy more efficiently into the barrel (this is up to a certain degree of course) which can lead to a more efficient airgun.

And the customer service from these guys is second to none! All components are quality materials and nicely machined.

(For your info: Brocock started using a Huma regulator in their compatto field target series)
 
I agree, if you contact HUMA you'll get Huub Andreisson, who is the "H" in HUMA. He'll respond quickly to calls and e-mails, even make you something custom if you need it. I have a HUMA in both my air rifles, one in the FX Bobcat .30 MK2 and one in my Daystate Renegade .22. If you look at the HUMA web site you'll see he doesn't even offer one for the Renegade, but in discussion with him we decided that one for the Wolverine (tube type, not bottle) would work in the Renegade. And yes, it does, and very well. The Renegade was unregulated when I bought it... Now it works with an ES of less than 10 for 60 shots from 250 bar to 140 bar. Anyway, highly recommended!
Mike
 
Hold on Jibeji I am here! :) Yes setting your Huma to 140 Bar works very well for my .25 Wildcat. I had my rifle set to shoot the JSB Heavy 34gr. pellets at 800 ft/s for extreme accuracy. I am only target shooting now, but this setting yields 48 ft.lbs. energy...which would be more than adequate for any small game hunting at this setting. I fill my Wildcat up to 250 Bar and shoot it down to 140 Bar...this gives me 64 precise shots + 6 more shots that hit about 1/4" low. Shot 71 or 72 drops about 1" lower than the group, which tells me it's time to fill my rifle back up with air.

If any of you guys need a serious question answered you may contact Huub Andriessen at - [email protected]. He is very attentive to his customers' email and is unbelievably helpful and kind should you ever have a problem. For example, last weekend I removed my Huma reg from my Wildcat to clean and inspect it due to a strange drop in pressure accompanied by some strange fluctuations in velocity - the problem turned out to be a little tiny broken o-ring at the tip of my valve pin.

Anyway, when I took my reg apart to check it I made two mistakes - I neglected to measure with my calipers the distance from the top of the bronze pressure set screw to the bottom of the reg, which would tell me where to re-set it upon reassembly. And I forgot to make a note of the order in which the Belleville washers were arranged. So I tried over and over to figure it out by trial and error until I finally gave up disgusted with myself for being so dumb.

So on Sunday afternoon I sent an email to Huub explaining the problems, and much to my surprise he answered me back almost immediately with the solution to both problems. The Belleville washers in the Wildcat .25 Huma regulator should be arranged like this - (())(( And he told me to set the distance from the top of the bronze set screw to the bottom of the reg at 36.6mm with my calipers...this gave me exactly 140 Bar!

How do I know my Huma regulated pressure is exactly set at 140 Bar without a regulator tester you may ask? Well our wonderful friend Ernest Rowe has a video showing us how to take out the brass air bleeder screw and replace it with an air gauge! So I removed the air gauge from my Streamline and put it in the air pressure bleeder hole in my Wildcat and Viola! Success! I can now see exactly what my regulator is doing whenever I like! What a blessing! :)

I praise God for guys like Huub Andriessen and Ernest Rowe. To think they both took time away from family to answer me on a Sunday...Wow! Praise God! Both of these gentlemen are beyond generous with their time and advise.

All the best, Chuck

 
After reading this thread...
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Damn you Chuck...:)

If somebody can help me, how do I know at what pressure is set on (see photo below). I ask him to set for FAC default.
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...and it is marked "HP" on the sticker that came with reg

PS. It is for the .22 WildCat