Huben K1 .25 cal First Impressions

Well, fellow airgunners, it has taken me long enough, but I finally took the Huben K1 .25 cal out for some range time today. I haven't ordered any slugs yet, but I hope to real soon. (Looking at you, Nielsen Specialty Ammo) Anyways, I ended up taking today off to run errands and drop off a dog that wasn't broken to get her fixed. Weather was around 70 and sunny with a breeze from the left of 6 mph. Before today, I had only run about 80 or so shots through it, and I was not impressed, to say the least. I de-gassed the action and gave the barrel a good cleaning. I didn't see a lot of gunk on the cleaning pads. When I started today, the reg gage was showing around 130-135 bar. I was shooting JSB King Heavy originals, not the MK II. Other than degassing, then cranking the reg back up afterwards, I have not tinkered with any settings before today.

After a magazine's worth of shooting, I had the scope dialed in enough to look at grouping. Each of the photos represents three five-shot groups at 50 yards. I would fill to 3600 psi and reload after every three groups. Here is the first photo:

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I know, not very impressive. I wasn't having the best day holding the gun still today, and there was that 6 mph wind from the left, but still. Not good. The trigger is a bit heavier than I am used to, so there is a learning curve happening here as well. Velocities were around 950 fps with those 33.95 gr pellets. Probably a bit too fast. I tried backing off the reg a bit, but the first shot sounded weak and anemic, so I bumped it back up and it settled around 140 bar. Then I shot these groups:

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Left group was first, and velocities were around 930 fps. Then I remembered there is a "velocity adjustment" knob on the bottom of the buttstock. I didn't bring the manual, so I guessed which way to drop speed, and guessed wrong and shot the right side at around 970 fps. Whoops! Back the other way, and then I shot the center group at 830 fps. You can see how much the group dropped, as I was aiming dead center on all these groups.I thought I was seeing the groups tighten up just a bit as well. I refilled, took out half of my velocity adjustment, and then shot the following groups:

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Left group was first, at around 870-880 fps. I decided to sit pat on any more speed adjustments. I did make a vertical scope adjustment before shooting the next group, on the right. Still getting tighter at 3/4 of an inch, and just over 1/4 inch CTC without that flyer. Hmmm. I'm starting to see some potential here. I refined my vertical scope adjustment again, and shot the center group which was just over 3/4 inch. Another refill and reload, then the final set:

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Well, the left group wasn't much to look at. The right group would have been 3/4 inch without that flyer. The last group in the center was nice, though. 8/10 of an inch. I can live with that right now, given my shakiness today and that crosswind. I just want to see progress as I learn this new type of air gun. I shot my Wildcat 30 today as well, and the shakes plagued me there, too. 

Here's the wrap-up. I like the concept of the Huben, and the innovation it represents. It's way too early to assess it, but it is showing lots of potential.Once I get used to the trigger, and if I remember my shooting rest next time, I will try to post some more groups. Also, I bought this with the intention of tuning it to shoot slugs. so all this is just preparation for that. I have still fired less than 200 pellets through it, and today's shots were the first since cleaning the barrel. Thanks for taking the time to read this long post. There are some out there looking for info on the Huben 25 cal, and I wanted to share my experience with them. 

James
 
Sounds like your getting it dialed in.

You said you forgot your rest...did you shoot offhand?

I've seen some videos where they seemed like very accurate shooters.

I used a bag under the front. I like to use a shooting rest when checking for accuracy so I can eliminate as much of my human error as possible. That allows me to gauge the potential of the gun if I can get my act together when behind the trigger. Sometimes it's like I'm a laser beam locked on target, and other times I feel like I'm playing a Ouija board with the crosshairs. Today was the Ouija board.
 
I'd slug the barrel...... Breech and Bore. What is the true I.D. on that thing? 

If you have a .2540" barrel that someone said they have. I DON'T KNOW THIS AS FACT.

Maybe you might slug yours, so we will know for sure.

If it's over .2500" I doubt that domes will be the best food for that thing. 

I like STO's idea though, if I choose to get one some day. 


 
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Thanks for posting! Keep us updated! This is one gun I am always looking at. I would try some of those mp molds slugs. There is a person selling them on Ebay.

That MP slug at 50 grains does not do well in the 25 cal Huben ,

The 32.80 grain large hollow point from Varmintknockers shoots

very good in the 25 cal Huben . 


👍good to k ow, thx!
 
Thanks for posting! Keep us updated! This is one gun I am always looking at. I would try some of those mp molds slugs. There is a person selling them on Ebay.

That MP slug at 50 grains does not do well in the 25 cal Huben ,

The 32.80 grain large hollow point from Varmintknockers shoots

very good in the 25 cal Huben . 

Thanks for that info, D-RIG. Was thinking about messaging you to see what has been working for you. Are you making any for sale, or just making your own? I will order some of those Varmintknocker slugs and give them a try. NSA is working on a slug as well.
 
I have to ask: what do these Huben barrels look like? How hard would it be for a guy with a lathe to turn down a higher quality barrel blank for a Huben so you can put a premium quality barrel in the gun?

STO, I'd have to refer you to Gregor's videos on Youtube. I think he shows the complete teardown of a Huben K1. Plus, I think he did what you're talking about, and replaced his 22 cal barrel with a 22LR LW barrel.

James
 
I'd slug the barrel...... Breech and Bore. What is the true I.D. on that thing? 

If you have a .2540" barrel that someone said they have. I DON'T KNOW THIS AS FACT.

Maybe you might slug yours, so we will know for sure.

If it's over .2500" I doubt that domes will be the best food for that thing. 

I like STO's idea though, if I choose to get one some day. 


Long_Shot, what is the best way to slug my barrel? I don't think I can do this without removing the barrel, and that is something I don't want to do this soon, until I establish some baselines for performance. Somebody in the know told me that the magazine chambers are a larger diameter than the barrel, and that presents a problem with slugs.
 
I wouldn't take my new gun apart for that either. To properly slug a barrel is a pain. A choked barrel is a bit different too. 

I've put 2 lightly greased slugs into the breech before. Then used a wood dowel to push them back out. 

The second one was to get the first one past the lead-in, and into the barrel. Roll the second one between two pieces of metal until it mic's. at about .2400" dia. it's just a spacer. 

My barrel is choked so I drilled a hole through a slug. Put a 100 lbs. Tuff Line fishing line through the hole with a huge knot on the end. 

Pushed that greased slug into the muzzle. Pulled pretty hard and pop. All done. 

Right or wrong it worked for what I wanted. 

D-Rig is got a bit of info. there. Sounds like he probably knows a lot about that gun. 


 
Yes the magazine is .254" at the back of the magazine

and its .252-.251 at the front of the magazine all these 

numbers are larger than the actual bore diameter . 



I actually sent my Huben magazine out to have it duplicated 

and to have the chambers made to be a bit smaller .250 " .

Please let us know how that works out. 
 
I wouldn't take my new gun apart for that either. To properly slug a barrel is a pain. A choked barrel is a bit different too. 

I've put 2 lightly greased slugs into the breech before. Then used a wood dowel to push them back out. 

The second one was to get the first one past the lead-in, and into the barrel. Roll the second one between two pieces of metal until it mic's. at about .2400" dia. it's just a spacer. 

My barrel is choked so I drilled a hole through a slug. Put a 100 lbs. Tuff Line fishing line through the hole with a huge knot on the end. 

Pushed that greased slug into the muzzle. Pulled pretty hard and pop. All done. 

Right or wrong it worked for what I wanted. 

D-Rig is got a bit of info. there. Sounds like he probably knows a lot about that gun. 


I will keep your technique in mind if I ever pull the barrel. Thanks!