Huben Hammerless K1

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    spysir
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    Parrots,

    You can return an airgun just because you wanted a different “plastic” and don’t care for the metal clips coating?   Odd business policy though I suppose with a 15% return or such.  No matter thanks for posting the pictures.  Quality looks about right and “I” think it’s good they put some ( seemed bare metal before ?)  surface coating on the clip.
    Certainly not what “I” would call heirloom quality ( want to hand it down for generations)  but unless there is a defect in the stock material as the hunting airgun it is it seems okay.

    wilbryse,
    Thanks for the pictures,  I mainly shoot field target but the groups look very good for rapid fire at that range indeed.
    This has to be one of the more controversial airguns to come out in a while.

     Fun reading “The Importer”  ( singular ) here in the U.S.  saying “I don’t know where that rumor started”  , regarding the “Importer”  ( other US importer ) stated he was supplying some to the other “dealer”.  The , only importer, said he was going to call the , other, importer and get it all cleared up! HAHA.  With such as that going on with our importer/dealers  Internet posts are THE only source of information on this rifle for now, though one of the exclusive US Importer thinks (?) he will get a few shipped next week.

      John 
     

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    Parrots
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    “spysir”Parrots,

    You can return an airgun just because you wanted a different “plastic” and don’t care for the metal clips coating?   Odd business policy though I suppose with a 15% return or such.  No matter thanks for posting the pictures.  Quality looks about right and “I” think it’s good they put some ( seemed bare metal before ?)  surface coating on the clip.
    Certainly not what “I” would call heirloom quality ( want to hand it down for generations)  but unless there is a defect in the stock material as the hunting airgun it is it seems okay.

    wilbryse,
    Thanks for the pictures,  I mainly shoot field target but the groups look very good for rapid fire at that range indeed.
    This has to be one of the more controversial airguns to come out in a while.

     Fun reading “The Importer”  ( singular ) here in the U.S.  saying “I don’t know where that rumor started”  , regarding the “Importer”  ( other US importer ) stated he was supplying some to the other “dealer”.  The , only importer, said he was going to call the , other, importer and get it all cleared up! HAHA.  With such as that going on with our importer/dealers  Internet posts are THE only source of information on this rifle for now, though one of the exclusive US Importer thinks (?) he will get a few shipped next week.

      John 

     

    
Actually my dealer agreed on the return with with no restocking fee of any kind as he also agreed that the quality of the gun and stock was not very good and Huben are giving no indication when the wood stock might be available.

    service from the dealer was very good and I have placed pre orders for another 2 guns from him since.

    i have seen many synthetic stocks and am yet to come across one that is hollowed out plastic like this one. When paying this King of money the quality matters and this is the first gun I am ever returning other then couple of faulty Wildcats till I found one with no faults.

    if the gun was maybe £1000 then I might have kept it and had a stock made but not when the gun cost me more then my Impacts.

     

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    Zhoutai7218
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    Can someone give me more info pics or video how to disassemble the gun from the stock. For as I got was pushing the pin out in the middle of the stock and on the regulator I took the screw out, cap off and the plate think under the cap. What else am I missing it just seem like there is some other think holding the gun down. 

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    Here you go.  

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    Zhoutai7218
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    I have seen this video, I just want to know how to take the stock off. Usually it hold down by like 2 screws on other airguns. The Huben K1 seem abit different. Like I say I took off the middle slide pin out. At the end bottom of the stock I took the screw off and regulator cap off also the metal plate under the cap. Is there other screws that is holding the gun together?

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    Zhoutai7218
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    http://s1056.photobucket.com/user/wlbryce/media/IMG_2319_zpslhhljzt8.jpg.html

    Found this pic on first page, I took out all the part that showen on the pic but I still wasn’t able to get the gun off the stock. 

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    wlbryce
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    You must remove the castle nut assembly, it is the black tube shown in the photo beside the 2 silver disks. 
    It and the pin in the stock holds everything together. 

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    Zhoutai7218
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    “wlbryce”You must remove the castle nut assembly, it is the black tube shown in the photo beside the 2 silver disks. 
    It and the pin in the stock holds everything together. 

    
The black tube? The piece under the metal plate with like 4 ball bearing on it? I don’t see any screw on that part? How do you take that piece out?

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    Parrots
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    You will fine 2 gaps/holes on either end so insert a needle nose plier on either end for grip and twist CCW to take that off.

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    Zhoutai7218
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    Thank so much for the help will give it a try tonight when I get off work😄

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    wlbryce
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    Put in an order for a new LW barrel for the Huben. Gregor jumped out first and figured out the issues. I will now follow with a LW barrel blankbarrel blank special rifle steelCal. .22l.r.for standard rifle, Ø=.591″, L=18.5″
    Will machine it so it will work with my shroud to keep it quiet.  The installed barrel is 0.48″ and 23.5″ long, but ordered one shorter so the weight wont increase.
    Ill report back once it is installed and post some groups. My goal is to get at least 19 shots with the energy of a subsonic .22LR.  Still looking to fulfill my goal of the energy of a .22LR with semi auto operation without the cost of .22LR shells all with AIR.

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    Wlbryce, you may find that reducing the barrel length significantly reduces the power of the K1. 
    That is because the K1 valve works differently from the traditional hammer valve and is effectively a blowpipe action at very high pressure. In the same way as the blowpipe needs a long barrel to get enough power from the pressure of the lungs the Huben needs the long barrel to use all of the power available from the regulator pressure.
    in UK I have been working on a home build with a valve very similar to the Huben except that it doesn’t have the second regulator. I have a different mechanism for closing the dump valve. In UK I have a power limit of 12ft/lb and obtain this with a 24 inch barrel and a pressure of 700PSI. If I reduce the barrel to 14in the power drops to 9 to 10ft/lb.
    I will be interested to hear what results you get.
    Tony

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    Plastic stock on Huben is ok and functional, maybe has no swedish smell to it, but works just fine. I think this rifle will look very silly with wood stock, but that’s just my thinking.

    Seems like many modern air rifles are suffering from non confirming scope mounts. They all have something which is not  Picatinny or NATO compatible. One can use fixed screw scope mounts, but again, way too old-fashion for modern air rifle.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picatinny_rail

    Gladly external size of rail is standard:

    only recoil slots need to be machined:

    Burris holographic sight on QD AD mount.

    and hawke air rifle scope on low profile QD AD mount.

    I like QD AD mounts – optics can be attached and detached  with no POI shift.

     

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    Parrots
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    The plastic stock is a piece of crap. I have had many synthetic stocks that are made with a good quality material. This stock is made with plastic used to make the cases on toy guns and then coated for the outside to look like those of ones from other guns.

    maube it’s ok for the prices you pay but for near $2000 and making it the most expensive gun I had is totally unacceptable.

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    “wlbryce”Put in an order for a new LW barrel for the Huben. Gregor jumped out first and figured out the issues. I will now follow with a LW barrel blankbarrel blank special rifle steelCal. .22l.r.for standard rifle, Ø=.591″, L=18.5″
    Will machine it so it will work with my shroud to keep it quiet.  The installed barrel is 0.48″ and 23.5″ long, but ordered one shorter so the weight wont increase.
    Ill report back once it is installed and post some groups. My goal is to get at least 19 shots with the energy of a subsonic .22LR.  Still looking to fulfill my goal of the energy of a .22LR with semi auto operation without the cost of .22LR shells all with AIR.

    
Do you think an airgun that needs a barrel replacement  is a good gun?

    Do you think costomers are pleased to buy a .22lr barrel and turn to a machinist just in order to obtain a stable 2 MOA accuracy ?

    Do you think the modified Huben K1 is still a normal airgun we can tinker or safely do pest control with ?

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    spysir
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    “why cant we all just get along”  ( pardon me)

     Could any of the , umm, dislike of … …. …. … regading this new ( now available ) airgun be just personal oddity internet junk?

    To me it seems the OP got one of the first and posted, nice!  Not a ton of information on this rifle yet so great to find information here.
    Also seems to have been tested the way the OP could and/or wanted to.  I might have tested differently ( heck I would have used wallmart daisy pellets if that’s all I had, yup).
    Could any of the , sthuff, posted be due to the factories uses of “long Range Rifle” ?   Even though we know EVERYONE manages to shoot true sub [email][email protected][/email]- all day everyday outdoors freestyle in 5-40mph winds while drinking espresso and tutoring  students in four different languages in technical arts , say 50 yards or so IS long range historically for most average airgun use and shooters ability.   And it , can, make crazy -airgun standards naturally- power. As have models over the years like the 90fpe Career 707. But FULL power in an airgun such as that is not a needed norm for an air power utility. Now way back in the day the Career rocked the Field Target world!  Huh, world’s most powerful airgun,  Tuned down to 12-20fpe. Huh. No on said hey man that aint right, nope they shot lights out good groups at “long distance” – 55 yards in the US- and got a lot of shots esp. with the regulator added. Point there being everyone has a different use & want &/or need or idea or …… for how to best utilize any/every given airgun. Hey still reading? LOL, Another factoid back the the career was the most user adjustable rifle made!

    Now we have this cool new , could be used like this or like that or … … ….. user adjustable airgun ( which now after seeing videos we know to be very easy to work on and an amazingly simple design for what it does )  which in very recent post around the world now seems to be shooting just fine ( cover with a dime to a quarter at POWER , and we all know 900ish or lower would be better groups) at 50 yards. If true some of those ( but not the ones belonging to the afore mentioned MOA shooters ) will likely group at 100 yards  – not what our fun safe friendly old school airguns were really intended for – some will like it and some will not, some people will be happy some will sell em off, some will beg the best tuners to go all out, I’ll bet if everyone was honest they would smile while shooting one. I would and I likely wont be getting one as I am more of a single shot .177 type person who will uses something different if 22lr is “needed” – and legal- .
     
     I heard a rumor ( no really I did, on the phone with a dealer so not really a rumor I hope but rumors & speculation seem SO popular on the internet with people who don’t shoot with others esp. , though I’d use that word) that 50 ( Fifty ) are sold/shipping/delivered as of a few days ago. Really looking forward to more real world and current production owners reviews, but, I do appreciate the OP’s original sharing and the forum owner for letting us all share.  Doesn’t seem to likely to me but perhaps turned/tuned down to sub 20fpe maybe in .177  ( hope that comes along, there fun at 1,000fps with heavy Korean ammo, or at least they were) should get a ton of shot’s, might work for FT/safe backyard/target/pest/tin can fun/training/other.
      I wont know until ( hopefully) a friends hands me one to shoot. And when I get the chance I’ll be sure to try and give a straight up opinion  of it just remember your results may vary  ( I’mm a 2 MOA shooter after all ).

     Go shoot any airgun, it’s fun.

    John

     

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     Semieros:
    I purchased the Huben knowing that it was “new” “untested” and made someplace other than RU, USA, or ……..So, no I don’t think that most people will want to replace the barrel. But I like guns, was willing to step out on the “bleeding edge” because it was a high power .22 semi auto air gun! Regardless of what has been said, it does shoot good, and has X2 the power on target as my FX Monsoon. Will kill skunks with the energy of a 22 LR with 18 more follow up shots if my poor shooting skills are not up to the task.I Don’t regret my purchase and love the gun. So if a high power, heavy hitting, semi auto air gun, is what you want then the Huben is the gun for you. Oh… I have shot over 9 THOUSAND rounds through it in the last year. NO issues, and as I read the forums, I see that many people are struggling with + $2K guns to shoot a couple of hundred rounds. Funny how all the haters are not bashing on that manufacturer like they are doing with this manufacturer??? I have also been astonished with how the personal attacks are so freely given depending on what Brand of gun you purchase or use. The Huben is a great gun, Yes that is my opinion and I do own one. 

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    Are you saying that a CNC mill used by FX or Daystate costs more to turn out precision parts than a CNC mill in China? Or that a gun made by FX or Daystate is not marked up 100% or more? The Build quality of the Huben is as good on the machined parts as my FX guns. I think you underestimate the markup on ALL airguns. Do you know what it costs FX or Daystate to produce its guns? Why does any high end brand Airgun cost the crazy amount they do? Because we still purchase them at that pricepoint.  

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    I mentioned this in another post a while ago.  The cost to produce a gun is not significantly different across manufacturers.  FX, Crosman, Daystate…the costs and materials are all about the same.  The difference is how they make their money.  Crosman makes a bunch of guns and takes a small percentage profit.  Over a large number of sold guns that small percentage is enough to have a viable business.  FX, Daystate, etc make a few in comparison to Crosman, and make a much larger percentage.  People pay more for FX and other premium brands because of real, or perceived, quality differences as well as becoming part of an exclusive ownership club.  I’m not saying that FX or similar premium brands are not good guns, but they definitely carry a premium price tag.  Just as Crosman would have a difficult time marketing/selling a superb high quality gun at a premium price (“You paid how much for a Crosman?!?!”), FX couldn’t produce anywhere near the volume of Crosman (“Sorry, you’re order is on a 14 month backlog.  We have orders for 10,000 guns and we can only make 20 per day”).  It would be like Volkswagen trying to compete with Bentley, or Koenigsegg trying to compete with GM.  They’re different companies with different products. 

    I don’t know enough about Huben to say where they fall on the spectrum, but I’m guessing they haven’t figured that out yet either.  They can probably achieve massive production volume if demand ever warranted it, but for now, they’re trying to fit into the premium gun niche since demand is low.

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