How long can a pcp stay cocked without damaging?

Wanted to know if it's safe to have a pcp cocked for extended periods? For example: say your out hunting/pesting and you cock the rifle but the game gets away, but you have a magazine inserted. After about 2-3min I'm shooting that pellet into the ground. 1. I'm afraid it would do damage to the valve,spring or regulator 2. Safety reasons as I'm good to forget it's still hot. 
 
The only difference between cocked and not is the hammer spring being compressed and held by the sear. A spring can stay compressed indefinately without damage once it has taken its initial set. It has been proven that spring piston guns can be stored cocked without damage, why would a hammer spring be any different.

For 1 we're talking 4500psi need I say more? Thanks for the reply. 
 
The only difference between cocked and not is the hammer spring being compressed and held by the sear. A spring can stay compressed indefinately without damage once it has taken its initial set. It has been proven that spring piston guns can be stored cocked without damage, why would a hammer spring be any different.

For 1 we're talking 4500psi need I say more? Thanks for the reply.

All the seals are under pressure all the time, regardless of whether the rifle is cocked. And the air pressure has no bearing on the spring tension. So, from a mechanical perspective, I don't think it is anything to worry about. But, from a safety perspective, especially when moving about hunting, I don't like the rifle cocked. I've never had an air rifle with a safety system I really trust. I think there are some that actually block the hammer, but I've not had one. One way or other, I usually decock before moving. Some rifles can be decocked with a pellet in the barrel. If it has an anti-double load feature, then just cock again when ready to shoot. If it doesn't have that feature (and not a single shot), then you have to play with the magazine a little. If it can't be decocked, I would just burn a pellet in the ground, they're cheap. 
 
The only difference between cocked and not is the hammer spring being compressed and held by the sear. A spring can stay compressed indefinately without damage once it has taken its initial set. It has been proven that spring piston guns can be stored cocked without damage, why would a hammer spring be any different.

Wrong. Actually manufacturers who make these spring break barrel do not recommend leaving a spring gun cocked for a long time. The spring will get stressed and weaken. That is why they came up with piston break barrel that using a nitro piston and not a spring. As for PCP, leaving a gun cocked has nothing to do with how much pressure is in the tank. But pcp also use a spring to send the hammer hitting the valve. So one shouldn't leave a pcp cocked for too long. It will weaken the spring.
 
This subject is the beating of the dead horse when it comes to springs in powder burner magazines. 
Examples : AR and AK. 
I am of the belief that a compressed spring used in the application in which it was designed will have no major ill affects on the spring or surrounding components.
So if you cock your gun in anticipation to shoot a rat in the evening. But the rat never appears. So your gun stays cocked all night. No big deal. 
The only safety issue is that you or anyone handling the gun needs to be fully aware that the gun is cocked and loaded. 
Im not trying to debate what’s right or what’s wrong. And I am not an engineer. This just my own opinion. 
 
This subject is the beating of the dead horse when it comes to springs in powder burner magazines. 
Examples : AR and AK. 
I am of the belief that a compressed spring used in the application in which it was designed will have no major ill affects on the spring or surrounding components.
So if you cock your gun in anticipation to shoot a rat in the evening. But the rat never appears. So your gun stays cocked all night. No big deal. 
The only safety issue is that you or anyone handling the gun needs to be fully aware that the gun is cocked and loaded. 
Im not trying to debate what’s right or what’s wrong. And I am not an engineer. This just my own opinion.

You cant compare a firearm to an airgun. Firearm uses powder. So when the hammer hits the center back, it set off the primer and gun powder. So leaving a firearm hammer cock have no effect on it's speed. For airgun, there is pressure behind the valve. The hammer is being push by the spring. The force it hits on the valve depend on the spring. Having a spring cocked for a long time will weaken the spring. A weaken spring won't have enough force to open the valve as a good spring. So speed will suffer. Leaving a hammer cocked for a day or two you probably won't see much different in speed. But try leaving the hammer cocked for weeks, months, years..and come back and tell us. So to make it short. It depends on how long you leave your gun cocked. A gun left a day will be much different than a gun that's been left cocked for 8 months.
 
The only difference between cocked and not is the hammer spring being compressed and held by the sear. A spring can stay compressed indefinately without damage once it has taken its initial set. It has been proven that spring piston guns can be stored cocked without damage, why would a hammer spring be any different.

Wrong. Actually manufacturers who make these spring break barrel do not recommend leaving a spring gun cocked for a long time. The spring will get stressed and weaken. That is why they came up with piston break barrel that using a nitro piston and not a spring. As for PCP, leaving a gun cocked has nothing to do with how much pressure is in the tank. But pcp also use a spring to send the hammer hitting the valve. So one shouldn't leave a pcp cocked for too long. It will weaken the spring.

So in this aspect a weakened spring can become unreliable, maybe causing a premature discharge? I would never in my life leave a pcp or any firearm hot for extended periods! I'm one of those who debate the carrying a PB with one in the chamber just doesn't sit right with me. "These are mechanical items and it's only a matter of time before a part fails!" I was mainly talking about a session having the said cocked for that period of time (hunting/pesting) not over night/days.
 
Unless its a red wolf or electronic daystate rifle, no springs at all, so leave it cocked for a year if you want. not advisable on safety grounds though. I always thought leaving a spring compressed for long periods would certainly weaken the spring. if it were mine I wouldn't leave a spring gun cocked for lengthy periods of time.



just my 2 cents worth
 
This subject is the beating of the dead horse when it comes to springs in powder burner magazines. 
Examples : AR and AK. 
I am of the belief that a compressed spring used in the application in which it was designed will have no major ill affects on the spring or surrounding components.
So if you cock your gun in anticipation to shoot a rat in the evening. But the rat never appears. So your gun stays cocked all night. No big deal. 
The only safety issue is that you or anyone handling the gun needs to be fully aware that the gun is cocked and loaded. 
Im not trying to debate what’s right or what’s wrong. And I am not an engineer. This just my own opinion.

You cant compare a firearm to an airgun. Firearm uses powder. So when the hammer hits the center back, it set off the primer and gun powder. So leaving a firearm hammer cock have no effect on it's speed. For airgun, there is pressure behind the valve. The hammer is being push by the spring. The force it hits on the valve depend on the spring. Having a spring cocked for a long time will weaken the spring. A weaken spring won't have enough force to open the valve as a good spring. So speed will suffer. Leaving a hammer cocked for a day or two you probably won't see much different in speed. But try leaving the hammer cocked for weeks, months, years..and come back and tell us. So to make it short. It depends on how long you leave your gun cocked. A gun left a day will be much different than a gun that's been left cocked for 8 months.

Ah, you make some very valid points.
Thank you. 
 
This subject is the beating of the dead horse when it comes to springs in powder burner magazines. 
Examples : AR and AK. 
I am of the belief that a compressed spring used in the application in which it was designed will have no major ill affects on the spring or surrounding components.
So if you cock your gun in anticipation to shoot a rat in the evening. But the rat never appears. So your gun stays cocked all night. No big deal. 
The only safety issue is that you or anyone handling the gun needs to be fully aware that the gun is cocked and loaded. 
Im not trying to debate what’s right or what’s wrong. And I am not an engineer. This just my own opinion.

You cant compare a firearm to an airgun. Firearm uses powder. So when the hammer hits the center back, it set off the primer and gun powder. So leaving a firearm hammer cock have no effect on it's speed. For airgun, there is pressure behind the valve. The hammer is being push by the spring. The force it hits on the valve depend on the spring. Having a spring cocked for a long time will weaken the spring. A weaken spring won't have enough force to open the valve as a good spring. So speed will suffer. Leaving a hammer cocked for a day or two you probably won't see much different in speed. But try leaving the hammer cocked for weeks, months, years..and come back and tell us. So to make it short. It depends on how long you leave your gun cocked. A gun left a day will be much different than a gun that's been left cocked for 8 months.

Wrong, as you said above. You can compare a spring to a spring. Much has been written about this, including actual tests of actual air rifles by Tom Gaylord and others. Air rifles left cocked for multiple days (approaching a month as I remember) showed little to no velocity loss in Gaylord's testing. And what a manufacturer recommends for warranty reasons can be quite different to what is possible. I never leave my springers cocked long term but it is more a safety based idea than a spring fatigue idea. I do however have handgun and AR magazines that are now years old and that have remained loaded for multiple months at a time with no ill effects-all still function as they were designed. None have failed to feed. It should be similar with air gun springs, especially if they are quality springs. 

As an aside, I recall reading an article in either American Handgunner or American Rifleman quite a few years ago regarding some WW2 vintage .45 ACP magazines that were discovered in a foot locker that hadn't been opened in decades. They had been loaded when put in the locker and had remained that way for many years. They still functioned reliably. Seems there should be no difference in most air gun springs, whether spring-piston springs or hammer springs for a PCP.
 
This subject is the beating of the dead horse when it comes to springs in powder burner magazines. 
Examples : AR and AK. 
I am of the belief that a compressed spring used in the application in which it was designed will have no major ill affects on the spring or surrounding components.
So if you cock your gun in anticipation to shoot a rat in the evening. But the rat never appears. So your gun stays cocked all night. No big deal. 
The only safety issue is that you or anyone handling the gun needs to be fully aware that the gun is cocked and loaded. 
Im not trying to debate what’s right or what’s wrong. And I am not an engineer. This just my own opinion.

You cant compare a firearm to an airgun. Firearm uses powder. So when the hammer hits the center back, it set off the primer and gun powder. So leaving a firearm hammer cock have no effect on it's speed. For airgun, there is pressure behind the valve. The hammer is being push by the spring. The force it hits on the valve depend on the spring. Having a spring cocked for a long time will weaken the spring. A weaken spring won't have enough force to open the valve as a good spring. So speed will suffer. Leaving a hammer cocked for a day or two you probably won't see much different in speed. But try leaving the hammer cocked for weeks, months, years..and come back and tell us. So to make it short. It depends on how long you leave your gun cocked. A gun left a day will be much different than a gun that's been left cocked for 8 months.

Wrong, as you said above. You can compare a spring to a spring. Much has been written about this, including actual tests of actual air rifles by Tom Gaylord and others. Air rifles left cocked for multiple days (approaching a month as I remember) showed little to no velocity loss in Gaylord's testing. And what a manufacturer recommends for warranty reasons can be quite different to what is possible. I never leave my springers cocked long term but it is more a safety based idea than a spring fatigue idea. I do however have handgun and AR magazines that are now years old and that have remained loaded for multiple months at a time with no ill effects-all still function as they were designed. None have failed to feed. It should be similar with air gun springs, especially if they are quality springs. 

As an aside, I recall reading an article in either American Handgunner or American Rifleman quite a few years ago regarding some WW2 vintage .45 ACP magazines that were discovered in a foot locker that hadn't been opened in decades. They had been loaded when put in the locker and had remained that way for many years. They still functioned reliably. Seems there should be no difference in most air gun springs, whether spring-piston springs or hammer springs for a PCP.

All springs are not made the same strength. 
 
I'm not an engineer or metallurgist, but as a retired law enforcement officer, I can say I left my spring fed magazines loaded 24/7. (We qualified quarterly and I did practice on my own) The magazine springs were compressed all the time and never failed to properly feed a round into the chamber.

Those magazines are still loaded as they sit in a secure area in home.



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