Ted Bier wins the the most prized event of Extreme Benchrest by using an off the shelf .25 caliber FX Impact, bipod and tons of talented dedication. So how do you explain this feat despite the fact that a dedicated benchrest rifle and uber expensive front rest were not used?
How do you explain ... - Ted Bier?
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Equipment will only take you so far. At the end of the day its all about the shooter. If Ted had been shooting a HM1000X lrt in .25 cal......then a HM100X lrt would have won.
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I think it also shows that a lot of people get very disappointed when there rifle is shooting 3/4"-1" groups at 50 yards and then they go send it off for a tune and spend lots of money on the rifle. When in reality maybe it's just not the right pellets for the gun or maybe the shooting platform you're shooting on isn't balanced correctly or maybe it's a bad scope. People always seems to be complaining about the guns accuracy, not any other accessory of the gun that is bringing down the performance. Ted Bier has simply figured out what his impact likes to shoot, then bought $2500 of pellets for his gun from the same batch. He figured out what scope, rings, mount, magazines, bipod, etc... work with his gun.
Like Marksman3006 said is also took the dedication of his time for 2 hours every day to learn his gun combined with him being a great shooter.
Like Marksman3006 said is also took the dedication of his time for 2 hours every day to learn his gun combined with him being a great shooter.
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In short, wind is the great equalizer. I took my air rifles out to the range last weekend. With the howling and variable 15 to 25 MPH winds, windage varied from 4.5 to 8 inches. Knowing how much sideward windage to adjust for moment by moment was the difference between being in the 10 ring, or being entirely outside the largest circle of the target. Familiarity with your weapon, pellets, and how the wind affects them (when shooting at a distance) is paramount to accuracy.
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I guess I'm just new to all of this but how do you call yourself a good shot when your using a vise with calibration levers and in some cases an electronic trigger presser to do your shooting. Ted is a great shot and he knows his weapon inside and out now that is impressive!
By the way no offense meant to you folks with electronic trigger pressers and vises to do your shooting.
By the way no offense meant to you folks with electronic trigger pressers and vises to do your shooting.
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When you are training with a bipod you will not change this set up for a fancy bench rest the competition day.
Plus Ted as you know train and shoot everyday with this bipod - Impact set up.
Plus Ted as you know train and shoot everyday with this bipod - Impact set up.
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If you look at our club's results for our 75y and 100m matches (shot at the same place as the EBR) you will see that the top score is typically held by one shooter with a bi-pod on his RAW HM1000x 30cal. They are behind posting recent results, but you will notice a RAW BM500x off a POS rest starting to make a run at the overall top score
So to address your specific question. Let me ask you a question as the answer... There is nothing in the rules preventing a shooting using a bi-pod or whatever for a "front rest" in 25m or 50y competition. Why don't we see tons of bi-pods on the firing line?
The guy with the HM1000x is also one of the better shooters in any discipline out there.
The person that wins the 2017 EBR "main event" will be the person that has sent a lot of time learning their equipment and how it performs in all kinds of winds. They will have some serious pellet voodoo happening just like Ted does (96 shots without a flyer is some black magic).
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Given the recent posts where one dealer stops selling the gun, and another person wins the crown 0f airgunning with an early first run model. It's the nut behind the trigger that comes to mind. Another thing is consistency, a lot can be said for repetitive shooting with the same gun.Ted is a classic example of the harder you work, the luckier you get.
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Ted is a Cyborg plain and simple . No human could shoot pigeons at the distances he does with a friggin BBGUN !! Come on guys , y'all wake up !!
Only way that poop could happen is he would have to shoot a lot , practice under harsh conditions, and be pretty dang handy at tweeking his gun so it'll perform as well as possible ...AND be a good shot !!???! What's the odds of that happening ?!!!!
Given these two options . It's Cyborg no doubt . Check out this seldomly seen photograph !!!!
Only way that poop could happen is he would have to shoot a lot , practice under harsh conditions, and be pretty dang handy at tweeking his gun so it'll perform as well as possible ...AND be a good shot !!???! What's the odds of that happening ?!!!!
Given these two options . It's Cyborg no doubt . Check out this seldomly seen photograph !!!!
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Ted came from a galaxy far far away. And the Force is strong with this one.
Jimmy
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Way to go Joe..the things you come up with are priceless...
About Ted...he has put the time and energy into his craft. It is that simple. He has a good head for numbers, practiced in every condition imaginable, knows his weapon inside and out and has natural talent. I am shooting these air rifles because of Ted Bier and his videos. I was shooting large caliber powder burners my entire life and had some very good training thanks to Uncle Sam. I attribute my skills to my training, the practice I put in at the range and hunting. I have been blessed with great eyesight and thanks to genetics above standard hand eye coordination. My profession as a pilot demanded maintaining a very high level of skills and education specific to the job. I have seen and flown with pilots that have what we term as a great set of hands leading back to natural abilities in hand eye coordination. If they could manage themselves in the classroom, the knowledge could be applied along with those natural skills. I have seen many come and go, unable to maintain the strict discipline and have managed to work with some that are top notch in their profession. I have seen people rise to the challenge far beyond their skill levels in some really tight situations as well. This falls back on what we are seeing when Ted or any of the other top shooters hit their mark and scored high in competition. I applaud all of these for their skill levels and dedication.
Kind of got a little side tracked here but what I am saying is that anyone can apply themselves and achieve these skills as long as good habitual training and practice takes place. We as young kids here in the Midwest, I and all my friends had some sort of gun in our hands our entire lives. We all hunted together and shot some sort of targets with every kind rifle, some good rifles and some bad rifles but we all learned to work with what we had to be successful with them. That is where we are with Air Guns today. Some very good equipment has become available to many of us and has leveled the playing field somewhat. We all start somewhere to go down this path and have found a lot of gratification even with the old Daisy BB Gun. Have fun with what you have, practice with what you have and you will be successful. This community of shooters will all share freely with what they have learned and that is what makes this such a great and evolving sport. I am just proud to be part of it and be associated with those here on this forum.
About Ted...he has put the time and energy into his craft. It is that simple. He has a good head for numbers, practiced in every condition imaginable, knows his weapon inside and out and has natural talent. I am shooting these air rifles because of Ted Bier and his videos. I was shooting large caliber powder burners my entire life and had some very good training thanks to Uncle Sam. I attribute my skills to my training, the practice I put in at the range and hunting. I have been blessed with great eyesight and thanks to genetics above standard hand eye coordination. My profession as a pilot demanded maintaining a very high level of skills and education specific to the job. I have seen and flown with pilots that have what we term as a great set of hands leading back to natural abilities in hand eye coordination. If they could manage themselves in the classroom, the knowledge could be applied along with those natural skills. I have seen many come and go, unable to maintain the strict discipline and have managed to work with some that are top notch in their profession. I have seen people rise to the challenge far beyond their skill levels in some really tight situations as well. This falls back on what we are seeing when Ted or any of the other top shooters hit their mark and scored high in competition. I applaud all of these for their skill levels and dedication.
Kind of got a little side tracked here but what I am saying is that anyone can apply themselves and achieve these skills as long as good habitual training and practice takes place. We as young kids here in the Midwest, I and all my friends had some sort of gun in our hands our entire lives. We all hunted together and shot some sort of targets with every kind rifle, some good rifles and some bad rifles but we all learned to work with what we had to be successful with them. That is where we are with Air Guns today. Some very good equipment has become available to many of us and has leveled the playing field somewhat. We all start somewhere to go down this path and have found a lot of gratification even with the old Daisy BB Gun. Have fun with what you have, practice with what you have and you will be successful. This community of shooters will all share freely with what they have learned and that is what makes this such a great and evolving sport. I am just proud to be part of it and be associated with those here on this forum.
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Would this be the USARB?
I have been wondering if there has not been any outdoor 25M springer matches in several months or something else?
Thanks sorry for going off topic.
Eric
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Ted in one of his videos explained how he won. He did it two ways. First, he put the time in to KNOW his gun and how it shot under various wind conditions. Second, he capitalized upon a condition that most people are afraid of or more accurately were hesitant with and that was the 90* wind. He goes into the math to show why it is actually a more favorable condition to shooting than the head or tail wind. When he say the wind condition had changed to his advantage, he didn't let it go to waste. I have shot against much better shooters in my time. I have beaten them at times due to similar scenarios. I wasn't shooting airguns but rather 100 yard aggregates with a .223 or a 6mm BR. Ted's knowledge of shooting and wind doping is phenomenal. He deserved this win.
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What he has left out (so far anyway) is how he gets 96 shots without a flyer. That's not knowing your gun or the shooter, that's pellet selection, sorting and/or modification. This is what I'd like to know about.
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Ted will tell us a lot, but, just like his videos, he's going to edit out the trickiest of tricks.
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He has a video where is sorts his pellets and explains his process. It is similar to the process BR shooters sort their bullets they load. Also, with loaded ammo there is a sorting method for the runout for each loaded round.
I think what he has accomplished is an example of covering all his bases and leaving little to chance. I know some BR shooters that are so finicky in their routine they load every shell the same way in to the chamber. For instance... Let's say the acceptable parameters are .002 runout for your given gun. The person would mark the shell in the direction of the runout and then orient the shell in the chamber the exact same way ever time so even shooting ammo that is not perfectly eccentric then you greatly narrow the lack of eccentricity by the orientation of the ammo in the chamber. While this this level of precision isn't necessary for the average BR shooting, there are some who are shooting in warehouses (limits the influence of wind) searching for perfection.
I think what he has accomplished is an example of covering all his bases and leaving little to chance. I know some BR shooters that are so finicky in their routine they load every shell the same way in to the chamber. For instance... Let's say the acceptable parameters are .002 runout for your given gun. The person would mark the shell in the direction of the runout and then orient the shell in the chamber the exact same way ever time so even shooting ammo that is not perfectly eccentric then you greatly narrow the lack of eccentricity by the orientation of the ammo in the chamber. While this this level of precision isn't necessary for the average BR shooting, there are some who are shooting in warehouses (limits the influence of wind) searching for perfection.
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Meh, he doesn't really say how and to what standard he sorts pellets. I has talked about a couple of ways it can be done, but doesn't really go into what he does himself. And those videos are a bit dated too. Trust me if it was just inspecting, weighing and sorting to head size I'd never have a flyer, there is more to it than visual inspection, weighing and sorting to head size.
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I'm thinking in his video, that he said he did not sort his pellets.
Course I have been wrong before.
Course I have been wrong before.
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