honest question,? would you turn from online bigstore to buy from a new store

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Willie14228

Willie14228

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Here is the scenario
You are shopping on-line and you see the same product on two sites One site is well known the other is a new store 
What if any,,, Would have you buying from the new store? Please be realistic (Saving money is always a bonus but we all know the saying "if its to good to be true it most likely isn't)
If you were buying a scope or new gun or any AG or sporting product what would make the difference? 
By all means be as exact as you want to be. What Kind of info, specs, manuals, videos
something like
Benjamin Sheridan Bulldog, Leapers Bipod, Leupold FX-3 Riflescopes 6x42mm Adjustable Objective Matte Target Dot Reticle, Plano AW Tactical Case...

Or for a Scope Only
scope, scope rings, scope Mount

Would a free hard shell case with the gun make the difference, or if not what would?
It doesn't need to be brand or product specific or even the format I've shown. 
 
For me, if all else is equal, I'd go for the one that's closer geographically, for faster shipping. 

If you don't already have enough cases, a free hard shell case is a nice benefit! You can just throw it in the trunk or check it on a plane with a hard case. 

I also like like to support the smaller retailer, if realistic. Ma ' n Pa stores, I like to support. More personalized service, less chance of mixing things up, and fewer games. (Like having to buy four tins of pellets to get a fair price)
 
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Small dealers do exist mostly unknown to many persons because they do not have the business revenue to advertise or create e-commerce sites. They rely on the old fashion Word of Mouth for advertising which is slow but effective in the long term. What they can do is offer some of the best personal service and prices because there is little overhead and overhead is ALWAYS passed to the customer.

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I would give the free service of a 20 shot evaluation on every gun. This would give seller a chance to find all defects so they would never ship out a gun that was not as advertised. They could repair any seals, O-rings, give chrony results, calculate ft/lb and have information to use in description from personal experience instead of just what manufacture offers (that is not always the truth), then clean the gun so it is truly ready to shoot out of the box. Then there is the pleasure of shooting as a bonus, they should become really great shooters,LOL. If you are a good shot you could include the target showing accuracy with pellet weight and distance. Just a thought.Yes I do buy from Ma/Pa over BBS if they are competitive.
 
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StrininI would give the free service of a 20 shot evaluation on every gun. This would give seller a chance to find all defects so they would never ship out a gun that was not as advertised. They could repair any seals, O-rings, give chrony results, calculate ft/lb and have information to use in description from personal experience instead of just what manufacture offers (that is not always the truth), then clean the gun so it is truly ready to shoot out of the box. Then there is the pleasure of shooting as a bonus, they should become really great shooters,LOL. If you are a good shot you could include the target showing accuracy with pellet weight and distance. Just a thought.Yes I do buy from Ma/Pa over BBS if they are competitive.
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Would you be willing to wait the few extra days this would take for your gun to ship?
 
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SmaugFor me, if all else is equal, I'd go for the one that's closer geographically, for faster shipping. 

If you don't already have enough cases, a free hard shell case is a nice benefit! You can just throw it in the trunk or check it on a plane with a hard case. 

I also like like to support the smaller retailer, if realistic. Ma ' n Pa stores, I like to support. More personalized service, less chance of mixing things up, and fewer games. (Like having to buy four tins of pellets to get a fair price)
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Do you ever try to match your tin lots to get better accuracy?
What Cal.
 
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It's difficult for small anything sales wise to compete with a larger competitor. Buy 3 get the 4th free buy with free shipping and 10% back. It's the best deal on pellets, and it's offered multiple times annually. With that size and volume goes with the rapid transferring of goods with out the hands on respect and customer care offered by the smaller guy. From another dealer I got a gun with a sample test shot and chrony, the gentleman that tested it signed his name. I really thought he was wasting his talents because if in fact that was the card for the gun his talent was vastly wasted. If he got that gun to shoot to the specs on the card, or even just air up and shoot he surely could have resurrected Marilyn Monroe. I've had lengthy conversations with smaller dealers, and at the same time was never rushed or hard selled by PA , bought and rec'd more screwed up new guns than used. Maybe a smaller guy that eats the shipping to and back for a screwed up product would break out from the crowd. Take something like the Freedom 10 free shipping no 3% credit card BS in your hands in 2-3 days, tough to beat the big boys
 
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I have bought from both BBS and 80% of what I bought I returned because of simple stuff that would have been easily fixed if they had shot the rifle 2-3 times and detected the issue. So waiting a couple days longer would have been faster in the long run. I'm sure these Companies are about sick of dealing with me. I want what I pay for, it's not like these guns are cheap. Right now I am waiting on a product return and I returned 10 days ago and have not heard from them yet. Im sick of dealing with them even though they have good deals and 10% off all the time. As far as ammo goes, they over charge for that to start with. I find ammo at wal-mart for close to the same price and on sale a lot of the time at a better deal. So I would love to help some little business get started and hope they don't follow in the BBS tracks.
 
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"bill_dd97"I'd like to see product descriptions that are actually helpful. I've recently been shopping for a new scope and most descriptions don't even mention what distance the objective is focused at.
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That is a good point I have been searching specs even on Leopold and even diving into pdfs its is difficult to find close objective scopes. I will make sure to pay attention to that. 
So 10 meter? 
 
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In regards to having pellets sorted by head size prior to ordering, that would go a long way in making a decision. The closer location, as was pointed out, is also a significant consideration to me; there are fewer things to go wrong while in shipment.

Until airgun makers standardize barrel dimensions to the same tolerances that centerfire rifles have in recent years, pellet size will make a difference. In the centerfire world, bullets were standardized first as this is really easier to measure and quantify. Only fairly recently have barrel makers been able to make production barrels to the standards that used to be lapped benchrest precision dimensions. Airgun barrels, however, have taken the back seat of the long bus, since there is a perception that these are not real guns---especially in the U.S.

As a fairly old time cast bullet shooter, I know how important it is for the projectile to fit the bore. In the case of pellets, one should have the head size no larger than the groove diameter, but significantly larger than the land diameter at the choke (if there is one). The skirt needs to be at least the groove diameter at the breach, especially in lower powered PCPs. Springers will expand the skirt as will more powerful PCPs. But, it does help to start with a good seal. The head, at the breach must be at least the diameter of the lands if the pellet is to start straight.

One thing my brother noticed with some H&N pellets for the .22, was that the company printed a different energy level on different lots of what seemed to be the same pellets. These he ordered based on head size, but found that they required completely different tunes on his Marauder. Once tuned to the proper levels, they were just as precise, as the previous lot, but this was not what he expected.

Having this kind of information regarding the particular batch of pellets would also be helpful with making the decision on which company to do business with.
 
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"I_Like_Irons"In regards to having pellets sorted by head size prior to ordering, that would go a long way in making a decision. The closer location, as was pointed out, is also a significant consideration to me; there are fewer things to go wrong while in shipment.

Until airgun makers standardize barrel dimensions to the same tolerances that centerfire rifles have in recent years, pellet size will make a difference. In the centerfire world, bullets were standardized first as this is really easier to measure and quantify. Only fairly recently have barrel makers been able to make production barrels to the standards that used to be lapped benchrest precision dimensions. Airgun barrels, however, have taken the back seat of the long bus, since there is a perception that these are not real guns---especially in the U.S.

As a fairly old time cast bullet shooter, I know how important it is for the projectile to fit the bore. In the case of pellets, one should have the head size no larger than the groove diameter, but significantly larger than the land diameter at the choke (if there is one). The skirt needs to be at least the groove diameter at the breach, especially in lower powered PCPs. Springers will expand the skirt as will more powerful PCPs. But, it does help to start with a good seal. The head, at the breach must be at least the diameter of the lands if the pellet is to start straight.

One thing my brother noticed with some H&N pellets for the .22, was that the company printed a different energy level on different lots of what seemed to be the same pellets. These he ordered based on head size, but found that they required completely different tunes on his Marauder. Once tuned to the proper levels, they were just as precise, as the previous lot, but this was not what he expected.

Having this kind of information regarding the particular batch of pellets would also be helpful with making the decision on which company to do business with.
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So including the batch number for "select" tins would be something you would like to see in description 
 
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"Ginuwine1969"sorting of pellets by both weight and size (i believe) would become to time consuming and non beneficial. Those whose do it anyway would re do your work and if it was off could request refund. I would shop at a new online store as long as there was a point of contact and phone number for follow ups, and price was equal across the board.
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I have to admit I feel a lot like you on contact. I hate hitting the contact button and see only a email address. If you want my money you need to be willing to talk to me over a phone
 
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"Strinin"I'd like not having to return 80% of what I bought because they refuse to check it even when I ask. I know of an issue with a rifle and ask in note at order form and still get the issue I asked to be looked at. Just stupid because it cost them shipping and me not having what I wanted. I have already quit dealing with BBS.
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Hey Strinin, If I may ask what Air Rifle was giving you such fits
 
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