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    mcdonama
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    what’s the highest fpe airgun out there that could still be thought of as quiet?

    i realize that quiet is a relative term so as a guide to possible answers for purposes of this discussion, let’s consider– 

    – hyper sonic .22 lr is way too loud!
    – sub sonic .22 lr is too loud!
    – my .177 HW30 is about right sound wise but way too weak in fpe 

    So somewhere between a low power springer like the HW30 and a sub sonic .22lr but with the absolute maximum fpe that’s possible.  

    Sorry for ridiculously wide range…

    Any caliber is fine.  as far as power (fpe), let’s consider power that’s suitable for mid to large size mammals at close range (within 100 yards)  with shots to vital areas (brain, heart, lung shots).  Hoping for lethal “humane” shots and if that’s not possible than as close as current technology will produce.

    is there any such air gun out there?  Price is no object and any type of add on “LDC” is perfectly acceptable.

    If there is such an air powered rifle out there I am confident that this group will know of it!  thanks for advice and guidance.

    M
     

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    Marksman3006
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    quietest is a daystate electronic .22 with huggett. The pulsar is about 33ft lbs in .22 caliber and is way quieter than your hw30.
    The airwolf with huggett is just as quiet.
    Ive heard the taipan mutant is very very quiet as well.
    The .22 caliber at 33ft lbs is enough for a racoon with headshots….body shots are pushing it especially at 50 yards and beyond.
    If you go bigger than .22 caliber…..look at the mutant as it iis more powerful in .25 caliber. There are alot of options…..but you want crazy quiet and those are the 2 that come to mind.

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    Willie14228
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    The Air Force Texan with an LDC added really tones down. Hatsan has some models that are also fairly quite.

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    DJBriez
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    I don’t know about highest fpe, but I can tell you about a few of my powerful ones that are very quiet ( urban backyard friendly)…..
    Hatsan BT 65w/moderator-.25 cal,57 fpe over 18 shots with JSB 33.95
    Gamo Coyote w/ aftermarket moderator- .22 cal, 31 fpe over 20 shots
    Hatsan BullBoss factory shrouded- .22 cal, 32 fpe over 30 shots
    Snowpeak/MRODAIR P12 w/moderator- .22 cal 36 fpe over 50 shots ( whisper quiet with depinger installed, and deadly accurate)
    AirForce Talon P w/ aftermarket full shroud- .25 cal, 45 fpe. Over 30 shots ( tuned with aftermarket accessories)

    Thats just a few that are pretty powerful, and pretty quiet….. All of the above listed are capable of MUCH higher fpe….

    DJ

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    X27
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    What’cha doing with it?
    Price is no object and you want to kill a large game animal? Humans are also kind of “large” too.
    sounds like you are having a bit of “fun”
    Im sure you only LEGALY take your game animals and are in no way a HIT MAN looking to kill someone 

    Hoping for lethal “humane” shots and if that’s not possible than as close as current technology will produce.
    Yeah this sounds legit

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    ajshoots
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    The Marauder even at high fpe is still one of the quietest guns going.

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    iride
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    ajsshoots
    I never could get rid of the ping in my Marauder, I sold it to soon.(I just about gave it away) I should have kept it,
    After my Crickets and my Mutant, I even had a LDC on the 25 Marauder, Even the wife would call me down and say that guns to loud.
    I know I know I should have worked on the ping, Water under the bridge I sold it,
    Mike

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    mcdonama
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    Some great suggestions here.  Was hoping for a bit more hitting power–  perhaps 100 fpe +.  Just based on my reading, there may be some options that fit this description but not sure how quiet that may be.

    @ Mr. x27– ha!  Yeah, a hit man huh?  That’ s funny.

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    Smaug
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    There are tons of quiet, powerful PCP airguns out there, especially if money is no object.

    The Rapid Air Weapons (RAW) are all pretty quiet.

    Marauders are very quiet too, and not even that expensive. The ‘ping’ is a result of having an air tube, instead of a bottle. There are things that can be done to quiet the ping, but the ping is not really perceptible to anyone but the shooter.

    Kalibrgun Crickets are pretty legendarily quiet. Any PCP with a decent factory moderator is also going to be very quiet.

    Marksman3006: 33 FPE .22 for body shots on raccoons at 50 yards is NOT pushing it. Any hit would be a complete pass-through. The thing is, can you even SEE a raccoon at 50 yards? When they’re out, it’s dark, and night vision fades as distance increases.

    Many airgun hunters get too tied up in having “enough power.” They tell themselves that they “need” more power, when sometimes, it is just down to shot placement. They like to have more power, because those guns’ shots buck the wind better and killing his are less sensitive to proper shot placement. For example, I got that one squirrel at 38 yards with my 12 FPE .177 TX200. Almost a pass through, at that range. When through one arm, the chest, then the other arm, and he dropped like a stone. If I had hit the tough shoulder bone, 1/4″ further forward, it may have just broken his arm and knocked him down temporarily. (whereas a 50 FPE .25 would have killed him anyway) Does that mean an 18 FPE .177 isn’t enough? Or does it just mean we want more power, so that we can afford to be more sloppy with our shot placement? ;)

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    mcdonama
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    Totally agree with your point about placement.  Doesn’t take all that much power to get the job done if it placed properly.

    on the other hand, larger animals have thicker bone structure requiring more power to ensure a clean kill shot.  

    Any suggestions for higher fpe still?  Looking for the most potential fpe but hoping to moderate sound as much as possible.  Keep ’em coming!

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    ajshoots
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    irideajsshoots
    I never could get rid of the ping in my Marauder, I sold it to soon.(I just about gave it away) I should have kept it,
    After my Crickets and my Mutant, I even had a LDC on the 25 Marauder, Even the wife would call me down and say that guns to loud.
    I know I know I should have worked on the ping, Water under the bridge I sold it,
    Mike

    Everyone hears things different, but my 2 Crickets were louder than my Marauders. My 80fpe .30 Marauder is quieter than my .25 Cricket. But, that was just how my ear heard things.

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    mcdonama
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    AJ,

    have read that Marauders can remain very quiet as additional power is dialed in.  Sounds worth checking out.  

    Would like more than 80 fpe if possible.  Is the marauder available in larger calibers?  

    Do you know of LDC availability?

    many thanks,

    M

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    ajshoots
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    Marauders are only available up to .25 caliber. I build custom guns and power up to 100fpe isn’t out of the question. Just cost alot of money to make it happen.

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    zebra
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    “mcdonama”AJ,

    have read that Marauders can remain very quiet as additional power is dialed in.  Sounds worth checking out.  

    Would like more than 80 fpe if possible.  Is the marauder available in larger calibers?  

    Do you know of LDC availability?

    many thanks,

    M

    
Not a chance. There is no gun that is quiet at 80fpe. I have heard people claim that certain 80fpe guns are quiet but they are always wrong. When I hear what they called “quiet” I am left assuming that they have no ears. Best you could get is “quiet for 80fpe” which would still be loud. 

    Once you get above 30-35fpe, nothing is particularly quiet in stock form. My 25 Cricket is fairly quiet for a 50fpe gun. I can get away with using it for pest control and a few shots in the backyard but an afternoons plinking would disturb the neighbors. 

    If you want quiet then stick to a 30fpe 22 with a regular length barrel. 

    The Mutant is the quietest pcp gun I have heard (or not heard). 

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    DutchMike
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    From personal experience: my edgun r3 .22 std with hagan adapter and hogan heavy decimator is not very audible from 10 yards away.  Think it set at about 880 fps with 18 grainers.
    The fx royale 500 (in .25) is also surprisingly quiet for a .25, and can be made quieter if add custom plastic baffles. In any case, its quieter than a fx royale 400. Must be due to fact that 500 has 4 inch longer barrel and 4 inch longer shroud….

    my 2 cents, Mike

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    Sam63
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    “mcdonama”Some great suggestions here.  Was hoping for a bit more hitting power–  perhaps 100 fpe +.  Just based on my reading, there may be some options that fit this description but not sure how quiet that may be.

    @ Mr. x27– ha!  Yeah, a hit man huh?  That’ s funny.

    Takes a lot of air to make 100 fpe, an airgun shooting 100 fpe will never be as quiet as your HW30. Not with a shrouded barrel and long LDC. As Zebra stated above there are 30 – 32 fpe airguns you can buy that are as quiet or quieter than your HW30. A few 45 – 50 fpe airguns that can be made to sound as loud as your HW30 but it will take, money, a good tuner and someone that makes/understands LDC’s.

    Donny Du, Neil Clague, Anthony Storey, Mike at TKO, and Roy Kasten are known LDC makers. If you want high fpe and quiet they are the guys to talk with. Ernest Rowe would be the guy I would ask about tuning.   
      

     

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    Deja
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    Doubt you can get 100 fpe quiet. Like most said here, .22 is your best bet.

    My vulcan that does 60?ish with the extra silencer and is fairly quiet but my coyote with a normal daystate mk4 silencer is less noise.

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    sharroff
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    I’m with Marksman3006 on the Daystate Airwolf MTC .22 at 37 fpe being very quiet.  I define quiet as the pellet hitting the target being louder than the gun itself.  There is nothing quiet about a RAW 30 or an Impact 30 at full power with their stock shrouds.  If someone is in a house next door with all the windows closed and a stereo / TV going, yes. there is a chance they will not hear the pop/crack of one of those two 30’s.  But if they are outside in the back yard next door there will be no question someone fired their Impact/Raw 30.  I’ve fired many shots from my MCT from in the house without the neighbors even noticing a gun was fired.  Yes you can hear the ‘thwack’ of the pellet hitting the crow / chipmunk / squirrel but that is out in the woods somewhere and doesn’t get that much attention as a gunshot sound.

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    DJBriez
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    Again, I refer back to the first gun I listed…. The BT 65…. That gun is capable of serious power…. Mine is near 60fpe, and still quiet…. I really don’t know how loud it would get with increased power levels……BWalton is definitely the guy to talk to about the BT 65’s capabilities.

    DJ

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    sharroff
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    I had a BWalton BT 65 in .25 and I would not put it into the quiet group (pellet hitting target is louder than gun shooting).

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