Presently, I own a Sheridan variable pump that I bought about 45 years ago (yes, I'm old, when I walk into antique shops, people try to buy me) and a Benjamin Trail Springer but I've not even seen a PCP. I'm looking for a very quiet and very light rifle in .22 cal. It should reach at least 20 fpe, use a magazine, under 7lbs bare or even 6lbs. I'm willing to spend around a grand for the rifle alone. So far, after much research, it seems that the Daystate Regal XL or the Brocock Compatto would fit my needs. I thought about the Synthetic Benjamin Marauder in the 22 but I've heard a lot of negatives about the non Green Mountain Barrel that only the 25 cal has and the 25 cal might be too loud. The thing is, I really don't know how loud these guns are since they all sound so different on the Youtube...........even the same gun sounds differently. I mostly want to do target practice in my back yard but also use it for pest control and hopefully one day go rabbit hunting. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Carl
Hi, I'm new to PCP and need help choosing a rifle.
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If you could go up to $1175, that would get you a Taipan Mutant Standard in .22 . Crossing the $1000 barrier can be a reach for people to spend on an Airgun. For that money though, you have a bullpup, CZ barrel, high FPS, high shot count, and an out of the box quiet shooting platform that needs no modifying to make better.
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Amoxom has a good point. The Taipan Mutant standard is currently on sale, down from around $1500ish I think. I've never shot one but all the recent reviews and feedback here are raving about them. The reviews are coming from some very well respected members of the community. I'm awfully tempted to try one myself for that price.
The BSA R-10 would also likely fit the bill. It's 7.3 pounds before a scope. Very very accurate hammer forged barrels on those, regulated. Excellent value for the money. Can be found on sale on Amazon for $1000 and under sometimes.
The BSA R-10 would also likely fit the bill. It's 7.3 pounds before a scope. Very very accurate hammer forged barrels on those, regulated. Excellent value for the money. Can be found on sale on Amazon for $1000 and under sometimes.
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The CZ/Air Arms s200 Hunter does around 20 fpe in .22 cal, has a 10 round magazine and weighs just over 6 lbs. Very accurate little rifle! It does NOT have a safety however. Just about $700. It's not that loud, but you can get a muzzle brake from TKO Airguns to quiet things down.
http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Air_Arms_S200_Hunter_Air_Rifle_10_Shot_Repeater/2640
http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Air_Arms_S200_Hunter_Air_Rifle_10_Shot_Repeater/2640
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I think your research is done very well. I have been doing the same research. I have a Cricket but it is HEAVY thus the search for lighter guns. Both the Regal and Compatto should fill the bill nicely. I hope to have both plus an FX Wildcat (all in .25) very soon. AOA also has the Brocock Contour XL G6 on sale for a very good price ($739 plus a free scope and mounts).
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I haven't owned a Compatto, but I have had a Daystate Huntsman and the Brocock Contour. Both guns were great, though the one I wish I had sold was Brocock simply because it excelled as a short hunting gun and was super light. The Compatto seems like an outstanding combination of the two. I have a BSA R10 carbine (with the Ultra barrel) and it's nice and light weight (around 7 pounds with scope).and shots at 20fps (with the standard barrel, it's 29fps).
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+1 to Mutant as it fits your requirements well. And you've got tuners who know these very well now too.
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My dad is on his 2nd week with the compatto. We have both shot it quite a bit. Im going to post a review Thursday of the compatto complete with pics for those considering............
He is 64 years old and wanted a light compact rifle. He is very pleased with his purchase. It is backyard friendly in the noise department too. In .22 with a 18.13 gr jsb he is getting about 27fpe. About 20 to 25 consistent shots on a fill due to small air cyclinder but we are using scba tanks. If you are using a hand pump the smaller air cylinder could be a blessing or a downfall. Blessing if just hunting because it would probably pump up fairly quick. If tour plinking you will be pumping often. Non issue tho if you have a tank.
He is 64 years old and wanted a light compact rifle. He is very pleased with his purchase. It is backyard friendly in the noise department too. In .22 with a 18.13 gr jsb he is getting about 27fpe. About 20 to 25 consistent shots on a fill due to small air cyclinder but we are using scba tanks. If you are using a hand pump the smaller air cylinder could be a blessing or a downfall. Blessing if just hunting because it would probably pump up fairly quick. If tour plinking you will be pumping often. Non issue tho if you have a tank.
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Thanks John, the Air Arms s200 is very lite and way under what I wanted to spend. It comes with a moderator and is louder than I wanted. As you suggested, I could put an after market moderator but I'd prefer a moderator that comes with the gun in that the California laws are ambiguous stating it's legal to have a moderator that comes with the gun but not an after market one. Plus, if it's not quiet enough, I'm stuck with the moderator and maybe the gun if it takes too long.
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HauntedMystParticipant Accuracy: I haven’t owned a Compatto, but I have had a Daystate Huntsman and the Brocock Contour. Both guns were great, though the one I wish I had sold was Brocock simply because it excelled as a short hunting gun and was super light. The Compatto seems like an outstanding combination of the two. I have a BSA R10 carbine (with the Ultra barrel) and it’s nice and light weight (around 7 pounds with scope).and shots at 20fps (with the standard barrel, it’s 29fps).
Can you tell me how quiet the Huntsman was? Was it quieter than the Contour? I did some research on the BSA R10 Carbine but the only ones I was able to find were all 7.3 lbs. Too heavy for my needs.
HauntedMystParticipant Accuracy: I haven’t owned a Compatto, but I have had a Daystate Huntsman and the Brocock Contour. Both guns were great, though the one I wish I had sold was Brocock simply because it excelled as a short hunting gun and was super light. The Compatto seems like an outstanding combination of the two. I have a BSA R10 carbine (with the Ultra barrel) and it’s nice and light weight (around 7 pounds with scope).and shots at 20fps (with the standard barrel, it’s 29fps).
Can you tell me how quiet the Huntsman was? Was it quieter than the Contour? I did some research on the BSA R10 Carbine but the only ones I was able to find were all 7.3 lbs. Too heavy for my needs.
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Marksman3006Participant Accuracy: My dad is on his 2nd week with the compatto. We have both shot it quite a bit. Im going to post a review Thursday of the compatto complete with pics for those considering…………
He is 64 years old and wanted a light compact rifle. He is very pleased with his purchase. It is backyard friendly in the noise department too. In .22 with a 18.13 gr jsb he is getting about 27fpe. About 20 to 25 consistent shots on a fill due to small air cyclinder but we are using scba tanks. If you are using a hand pump the smaller air cylinder could be a blessing or a downfall. Blessing if just hunting because it would probably pump up fairly quick. If tour plinking you will be pumping often. Non issue tho if you have a tank.
I'm looking forward to your review. Do you know how many decibels the Compatto is or how loud it is compared to the Marauder?
As for me using a pump, I'll be 69 next month so a tank is a done deal. Even pumping my Sheridan variable got old very quick. I'll need to buy a tank. I'm guessing with the Compatto I'll only need to buy an aluminum tank that goes to 200 bar. If I get the Huntsman than I guess I'll need a carbon fiber tank?
Marksman3006Participant Accuracy: My dad is on his 2nd week with the compatto. We have both shot it quite a bit. Im going to post a review Thursday of the compatto complete with pics for those considering…………
He is 64 years old and wanted a light compact rifle. He is very pleased with his purchase. It is backyard friendly in the noise department too. In .22 with a 18.13 gr jsb he is getting about 27fpe. About 20 to 25 consistent shots on a fill due to small air cyclinder but we are using scba tanks. If you are using a hand pump the smaller air cylinder could be a blessing or a downfall. Blessing if just hunting because it would probably pump up fairly quick. If tour plinking you will be pumping often. Non issue tho if you have a tank.
I'm looking forward to your review. Do you know how many decibels the Compatto is or how loud it is compared to the Marauder?
As for me using a pump, I'll be 69 next month so a tank is a done deal. Even pumping my Sheridan variable got old very quick. I'll need to buy a tank. I'm guessing with the Compatto I'll only need to buy an aluminum tank that goes to 200 bar. If I get the Huntsman than I guess I'll need a carbon fiber tank?
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the marauder can be vary quite specily with all he aftermarket stuff you can but my .25 is vary quite and I hunt rabbits with it all the time the trick is to properly tune the gun if you ask me its just about as quite as my wildcat the only difference really is I can extend the baffling system as much as I want on my wildcat just about where on my marauder I would have to but a shroud extension or fit something like a hugget on it both will work
I tuned my marauder down a little on fps since I use it for plinking and rabbits/squirrels at between 30-50 yards and that lower fps also made the gun a lot quitter
as for a murader 22 to my knowledge there still having some issues with there in house barrels as a matter of fact my neighbor got a .22 last xmass and blew all his baffles out from chipping he ended up getting one from MM and I helped him install it has doing great now so really if your looking for a full setup the .25 marauder is a great way to go with under 1000 bucks hat would get you the gun a decent scope and even a small carbon fiber bottle just about.. if it wasn't for your 20fpe requirement it tell you to look t a marauder pistol for small pests and light weight I got my father one a few months ago and I don't think there any more chipmunks alive willing to go near his garden and even at 50 yards that thing is holding half inch groups with the predator Pollymags and it weight almost nothing
PS I have I live in town and have people all around me and I sight and test pellets in my backyard with a home made backstop made of old jeans pillows and mulched tires with pavers stones at the back so nothing is getting threw and none of them seem to hear me shoot most of the noise both the guns make is the hammer striking the valve and the pellet hitting the target the noise report from the baffling system is pretty dang quite
I tuned my marauder down a little on fps since I use it for plinking and rabbits/squirrels at between 30-50 yards and that lower fps also made the gun a lot quitter
as for a murader 22 to my knowledge there still having some issues with there in house barrels as a matter of fact my neighbor got a .22 last xmass and blew all his baffles out from chipping he ended up getting one from MM and I helped him install it has doing great now so really if your looking for a full setup the .25 marauder is a great way to go with under 1000 bucks hat would get you the gun a decent scope and even a small carbon fiber bottle just about.. if it wasn't for your 20fpe requirement it tell you to look t a marauder pistol for small pests and light weight I got my father one a few months ago and I don't think there any more chipmunks alive willing to go near his garden and even at 50 yards that thing is holding half inch groups with the predator Pollymags and it weight almost nothing
PS I have I live in town and have people all around me and I sight and test pellets in my backyard with a home made backstop made of old jeans pillows and mulched tires with pavers stones at the back so nothing is getting threw and none of them seem to hear me shoot most of the noise both the guns make is the hammer striking the valve and the pellet hitting the target the noise report from the baffling system is pretty dang quite
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If noise is ever a concern, go with a .22. With an 18gr pellet you can achieve almost 30 FPE with some setups. That's more than enough power for any rabbit or squirrel despite what some will tell you. If you're considering a PCP for the first time, you also have to think about how you plan to fill it. Pumping while it's the most affordable technique it's hard work. Deciding between a .22 vs .25, you'll do a lot more pumping than shooting with a .25 cal. Getting a tank and getting it filled is just added cost that you need to consider.
As for airgun choice, if you had your mind set on a rifle, get a rifle and don't let anyone talk you out of it. As great as a Mutant is, it's still a bullpup and unless you've used one it's a totally different feel than a rifle. Many have been disappointed going from a rifle to a bullpup. Myself, I prefer a bullpup after using a rifle but I suggest you go shoot a bullpup before deciding since it's a $1,000+ decision.
Given your choices, I'd go with the Daystate Regal in .22 cal. I've never owned one but it's always been on my wishlist. It's reasonably light weight, has a classic rifle appearance and Daystate has a good reputation on build quality. The only downside to Daystate is their spare magazines are expensive but the Regal can be had for $1,049 brand new. Years ago when I was looking, they were $1,200+. My advise would be buy the best that you can comfortably afford. If you buy a $500 Marauder, sure it will work but I'm positive you'll be wishing you had purchased the Regal instead.
As for airgun choice, if you had your mind set on a rifle, get a rifle and don't let anyone talk you out of it. As great as a Mutant is, it's still a bullpup and unless you've used one it's a totally different feel than a rifle. Many have been disappointed going from a rifle to a bullpup. Myself, I prefer a bullpup after using a rifle but I suggest you go shoot a bullpup before deciding since it's a $1,000+ decision.
Given your choices, I'd go with the Daystate Regal in .22 cal. I've never owned one but it's always been on my wishlist. It's reasonably light weight, has a classic rifle appearance and Daystate has a good reputation on build quality. The only downside to Daystate is their spare magazines are expensive but the Regal can be had for $1,049 brand new. Years ago when I was looking, they were $1,200+. My advise would be buy the best that you can comfortably afford. If you buy a $500 Marauder, sure it will work but I'm positive you'll be wishing you had purchased the Regal instead.
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Hey Carl1947.......the compatto is quiet but I would recommend a carbon fiber tank personally since your asking. My dad's compatto likes to start out at 3100 to 3150psi
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Where in California are you located? I'm in Northern Santa Barbara County, you're welcome to shoot my 200 to see if you like it.
John
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John, thanks for the invite, much appreciated. I'm up in Lincoln, just outside of Roseville. That's more than a stone's throw. Beautiful country out there. I did some serious Astronomy observing there a long time ago. I still need to do some more research but that FX wildcat at 6.1 lbs looks tempting. It seems I can add 2 baffles that screw onto the front to really lower the sound. However, the Regal and Compatto are a lot cheaper and seem sweet. Carl
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- Thanks for the info, yes, I'm going with a 22. Right now it's between the Regal Xl, Compatto and FX Wildcat. It might come down to which one is the most quiet. I tried to call AOA but there were 19 people ahead of me. Are they giving away free lobster?
[/LIST=1]- If the Compatto power control worked well, It would have been a no brainer but 20 useful shots per fill is not a whole lot. I'll talk with someone on AOA soon and perhaps they can sway me toward a more informative decision. In the mean time, I'll get my tank setup so when I eventually do get a gun, I can test it out ASAP. . Carl
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