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February 11, 2018 at 7:45 pm Link
I got into airguns to resolve a squirrel problem. Digging up my yard. Infesting my attic. Eating my flowers. I tried several magnum big box springers that shot a softball size group at 25 yards. Then I bought a MRod. 30 squirrels in six months later i was hooked. Now have Streamline .177,Huntsman.22, & the MRod .22. Then I made my second “mistake “ . I bought a HW97KT .177. Whole new addiction.
Here’s the problem . I now have to have a break barrel to play with.
Help me.
I will soon be 71 so cocking effort is an issue. The HW 97 is about the max.
1. HW30 sounds like a great gun but needs another 100fps. Would a tune with a bigger spring screw it up?
2.HW50 reviews on cocking effort are all over the map,24/50lbs.
3.HW 98 looks really good, but probably needs a tune down
4.Walther LTV looks good but something’ going,on stock is low, may be a change coming.
I really want a well tuned gun. Have talked to a couple of British tuners ,but good luck on getting a gun out of UK
I am at sea.
Help!
..I got into airguns to resolve a squirrel problem. Digging up my yard. Infesting my attic. Eating my flowers. I tried several magnum big box springers that shot a softball size group at 25 yards. Then I bought a MRod. 30 squirrels in six months later i was hooked. Now have Streamline .177,Huntsman.22, & the MRod .22. Then I made my second “mistake “ . I bought a HW97KT .177. Whole new addiction. Here’s the problem . I now have to have a break barrel to play with. Help me. I will soon be 71 so cocking effort is an issue. The HW 97 is about the max. 1. HW30 sounds like a great gun but needs another 100fps. Would a tune with a bigger spring screw it up? 2.HW50 reviews on cocking effort are all over the map,24/50lbs. 3.HW 98 looks really good, but probably needs a tune down 4.Walther LTV looks good but something’ going,on stock is low, may be a change coming. I really want a well tuned gun. Have talked to a couple of British tuners ,but good luck on getting a gun out of UK I am at sea. Help! ..February 11, 2018 at 9:21 pm Link5. If this was a real addiction, then you would hit the gym hard every morning at 5am, so you can cock that HW97KT with ease. Just saying :0). We gotta keep it real here on AGN, right?
It looks like the HW97KT is 35 lbs, and it sounds like you have pesting squared away with other guns, so why not optimize for the pleasure of plinking with the HW30 with its 18 lbs of cocking effort?
5. If this was a real addiction, then you would hit the gym hard every morning at 5am, so you can cock that HW97KT with ease. Just saying :0). We gotta keep it real here on AGN, right? It looks like the HW97KT is 35 lbs, and it sounds like you have pesting squared away with other guns, so why not optimize for the pleasure of plinking with the HW30 with its 18 lbs of cocking effort?February 12, 2018 at 7:50 am LinkHow about a HW95 for the longer barrel (more leverage) and install a 12 ft lb spring kit in it?
How about a HW95 for the longer barrel (more leverage) and install a 12 ft lb spring kit in it?February 12, 2018 at 8:24 am LinkSpent time last night shooting a Crosman Prowler .22 with a 1st gen Nitro Piston (NP) followed by a Crosman Summit .22 with a 2nd gen Nitro Piston (NP2). The Prowler NP has a cocking effort somewhere between 35-40 pounds by my reckoning and is about the limit I can use for an hour’s shoot. The Summit NP2, on the other hand, cocks with a sub-30 pound effort; I can shoot that gun continuously for hours – and have many times. Both rifles have Crosman’s full barrel shroud which aids in providing a good hand grip. I have joint trouble in my left shoulder (my cocking arm/shoulder) and can say with assurance that the NP2 system affords me no end of pleasure to shoot. If you want a gun that is accurate, capable of small game hunting, and suited to (a-hem) “mature gentlemen of a sporting nature” or duffers like me, take a look at Crosman’s NP2 line of guns. Tom Gaylord has a very thorough review of NP2 characteristics in his blog series over on Pyramyd Air’s web site. Search on NP2 and read what the Godfather has to say about ’em. For me, the NP2 system is a joy and a godsend.
Spent time last night shooting a Crosman Prowler .22 with a 1st gen Nitro Piston (NP) followed by a Crosman Summit .22 with a 2nd gen Nitro Piston (NP2). The Prowler NP has a cocking effort somewhere between 35-40 pounds by my reckoning and is about the limit I can use for an hour's shoot. The Summit NP2, on the other hand, cocks with a sub-30 pound effort; I can shoot that gun continuously for hours - and have many times. Both rifles have Crosman's full barrel shroud which aids in providing a good hand grip. I have joint trouble in my left shoulder (my cocking arm/shoulder) and can say with assurance that the NP2 system affords me no end of pleasure to shoot. If you want a gun that is accurate, capable of small game hunting, and suited to (a-hem) "mature gentlemen of a sporting nature" or duffers like me, take a look at Crosman's NP2 line of guns. Tom Gaylord has a very thorough review of NP2 characteristics in his blog series over on Pyramyd Air's web site. Search on NP2 and read what the Godfather has to say about 'em. For me, the NP2 system is a joy and a godsend.February 12, 2018 at 9:13 am LinkSteiger x20s2 might be good for you. Very easy to cock. Silent and hits pretty hard. Smooth break action. Look into her.
Steiger x20s2 might be good for you. Very easy to cock. Silent and hits pretty hard. Smooth break action. Look into her.February 12, 2018 at 11:02 am LinkThe HW30 is what it is, and what it should be. I’d look elsewhere for more power.
The HW30 is what it is, and what it should be. I'd look elsewhere for more power.February 12, 2018 at 11:11 am LinkGet the hw30s you won’t regrett buying one, and get the hawke vantage 2-7*32 scope for it, you don’t need another 100 fps, it’s perfect as it is, easy to break the barrel, you can shoot it for hours and not feel any pain, super accurate and lightweight, it’s one of the best airguns ever build, never gonna sell mine, but might buy the other 2 calibers available, i have the .20 cal
Get the hw30s you won't regrett buying one, and get the hawke vantage 2-7*32 scope for it, you don't need another 100 fps, it's perfect as it is, easy to break the barrel, you can shoot it for hours and not feel any pain, super accurate and lightweight, it's one of the best airguns ever build, never gonna sell mine, but might buy the other 2 calibers available, i have the .20 calFebruary 12, 2018 at 1:41 pm LinkBogey have you considered a RWS 34? I have a classic in .177 with a TO6 trigger and a Vortek PG2 spring kit. It’s accurate and easy to cock, it shoots H&N FTT 8.64 @ 854 fps and JSB Exact Heavy Diablo 10.34 grain @ 773 fps. Very good rifle for the money IMO.
Bogey have you considered a RWS 34? I have a classic in .177 with a TO6 trigger and a Vortek PG2 spring kit. It's accurate and easy to cock, it shoots H&N FTT 8.64 @ 854 fps and JSB Exact Heavy Diablo 10.34 grain @ 773 fps. Very good rifle for the money IMO.February 12, 2018 at 7:53 pm LinkHW30 is a laser. Inside of thirty yards it’s fine for pest control as you can make head shots no problem. The gun is so fun to shoot it’s addictive.
HW30 is a laser. Inside of thirty yards it's fine for pest control as you can make head shots no problem. The gun is so fun to shoot it's addictive.February 12, 2018 at 10:46 pm LinkI would go for the Walther LGV from Krale in 12 ft-lb. Already set for 12, plenty of barrel length for leverage, great lockup and accuracy. A little more up front than some of the others but no need to change spring etc to get it where you want.
I would go for the Walther LGV from Krale in 12 ft-lb. Already set for 12, plenty of barrel length for leverage, great lockup and accuracy. A little more up front than some of the others but no need to change spring etc to get it where you want.February 12, 2018 at 11:00 pm LinkI agree with Lewis. My experience with my Walther LGV is an extremely accurate air rifle to shoot, didnt need any alterations out of the box except a slight trigger adjustment, is extremely back yard friendly (22 cal) and very easy to cock.
Gary
I agree with Lewis. My experience with my Walther LGV is an extremely accurate air rifle to shoot, didnt need any alterations out of the box except a slight trigger adjustment, is extremely back yard friendly (22 cal) and very easy to cock. GaryFebruary 12, 2018 at 11:17 pm LinkDiana 240 Classic Air Rifle $150 at http://www.pyramydair.com
Walther Terrus Wood .177 $179 at Airguns of Arizona
Weihrauch HW35 $300 at https://www.krale-schietsport.nl/en/weihrauch-hw35.htmlDiana 240 Classic Air Rifle $150 at www.pyramydair.com Walther Terrus Wood .177 $179 at Airguns of Arizona Weihrauch HW35 $300 at https://www.krale-schietsport.nl/en/weihrauch-hw35.htmlFebruary 12, 2018 at 11:31 pm LinkWalther LGV Master Pro in sub 12. Amazing rifle!
Walther LGV Master Pro in sub 12. Amazing rifle!February 14, 2018 at 12:39 pm LinkIf you’re cocking an HW97, cocking effort on an on an HW95 shouldn’t be a problem. Forget about the pounds of effort – the felt effort is about the same or easier with the breakbarrel.
The HW98 is the exact same powerplant as an HW95 but with a shorter barrel that includes a sleeve for weight and no provision for open sights. Plus you get the adjustable stock. Some guys think they’re an overpriced waste of money; personally, I love mine. That said, the HW95 is a bargain and the longer barrel reduces cocking effort a bit. I would personally tune either the 95 or 98 to about 11-12 foot pounds, but that’s more for shot cycle than cocking effort.
The HW30 is really easy to cock and everyone should have one anyway – light, trim, laser accurate and just plain fun to shoot. And it will do the job with head shots on grey squirrels if you keep you’re shooting inside 25 yards.
OR, for a true classic, find a nice FWB 124. Not quite as powerful as an HW95, but super easy to cock. I have one with a soft tune making about a little under 10 fpe (about 740 fps) and it is as easy to cock as the HW30 and the shot cycle is almost as smooth – just a pulse when you pull the trigger.
With what you have already, my vote would be #1 – soft-tune FWB124; #2 HW30 right out of the box; #3 HW95 or HW98. But you can’t go wrong with any of them. And, with a little encouragement from this forum, you’ll probably end end up owning all of them anyway. Ask me how i know…
If you're cocking an HW97, cocking effort on an on an HW95 shouldn't be a problem. Forget about the pounds of effort - the felt effort is about the same or easier with the breakbarrel. The HW98 is the exact same powerplant as an HW95 but with a shorter barrel that includes a sleeve for weight and no provision for open sights. Plus you get the adjustable stock. Some guys think they're an overpriced waste of money; personally, I love mine. That said, the HW95 is a bargain and the longer barrel reduces cocking effort a bit. I would personally tune either the 95 or 98 to about 11-12 foot pounds, but that's more for shot cycle than cocking effort. The HW30 is really easy to cock and everyone should have one anyway - light, trim, laser accurate and just plain fun to shoot. And it will do the job with head shots on grey squirrels if you keep you're shooting inside 25 yards. OR, for a true classic, find a nice FWB 124. Not quite as powerful as an HW95, but super easy to cock. I have one with a soft tune making about a little under 10 fpe (about 740 fps) and it is as easy to cock as the HW30 and the shot cycle is almost as smooth - just a pulse when you pull the trigger. With what you have already, my vote would be #1 - soft-tune FWB124; #2 HW30 right out of the box; #3 HW95 or HW98. But you can't go wrong with any of them. And, with a little encouragement from this forum, you'll probably end end up owning all of them anyway. Ask me how i know...February 23, 2018 at 10:21 am LinkHi Guys, I’m new to AGN but just have to comment on the HW97K. I’v owned one for a bunch of years and what I’ve found is that while a wonderfully built rifle of superior quality, this thing needs a gun crew, carriage and wheels to be enjoyed. I suppose if all you’re going to do is shoot off a bench, it’s great but if carried afield, better be in good physical shape ’cause this sucker is HEAVY. I find that in my elder years i’m more than happy with my R7. Sweet little rifle. Lightweight, accurate and easy to cock.I have now reached 70 and i’m looking at some CO2 powered guns simply because of the physical strength required to cock a modern springer. Also, noise is now supremely important if you’re going to be shooting in your back yard. Just my thoughts. Thanks for reading. Howard in Md.
Hi Guys, I'm new to AGN but just have to comment on the HW97K. I'v owned one for a bunch of years and what I've found is that while a wonderfully built rifle of superior quality, this thing needs a gun crew, carriage and wheels to be enjoyed. I suppose if all you're going to do is shoot off a bench, it's great but if carried afield, better be in good physical shape 'cause this sucker is HEAVY. I find that in my elder years i'm more than happy with my R7. Sweet little rifle. Lightweight, accurate and easy to cock.I have now reached 70 and i'm looking at some CO2 powered guns simply because of the physical strength required to cock a modern springer. Also, noise is now supremely important if you're going to be shooting in your back yard. Just my thoughts. Thanks for reading. Howard in Md.February 23, 2018 at 5:03 pm LinkThe FWB 124 when in correct working order can exceed 900 fps.in .177
The HW95 is not quite that fast reaching almost 800 fps in .177Thats doing an internet search. Not my own tests
The FWB 124 when in correct working order can exceed 900 fps.in .177 The HW95 is not quite that fast reaching almost 800 fps in .177 Thats doing an internet search. Not my own testsFebruary 23, 2018 at 5:05 pm LinkThere’s an FWB 124 on GunBroker.com right now 2/23/2018. they are asking 699.00
Ebay has 2 for sale
One is $365.00 but needs a rebuild. Rebuild is $200.00 Then you’d have a new rifle
The other is $749. They say its like new
In excellent shape. I paid $425.in 1982There's an FWB 124 on GunBroker.com right now 2/23/2018. they are asking 699.00 Ebay has 2 for sale One is $365.00 but needs a rebuild. Rebuild is $200.00 Then you'd have a new rifle The other is $749. They say its like new In excellent shape. I paid $425.in 1982February 24, 2018 at 5:09 pm LinkBuy a Walther LGV Master Pro from Krale netherlands, They ship direct to the US without issue, you can select FPE version on drop down menu,
https://www.krale-schietsport.nl/en/walther-lgv-master-pro.html
Buy a Walther LGV Master Pro from Krale netherlands, They ship direct to the US without issue, you can select FPE version on drop down menu, https://www.krale-schietsport.nl/en/walther-lgv-master-pro.htmlFebruary 25, 2018 at 6:30 pm LinkThanks to all for your advice . I decided on the HW30S Deluxe . What’s next now? This game is crazy. I love it.
Thanks to all for your advice . I decided on the HW30S Deluxe . What’s next now? This game is crazy. I love it.February 26, 2018 at 11:53 am LinkGreat choise! Did you go for the 177?
Great choise! Did you go for the 177? -
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