Help me choose my next springer.

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SmaugThree thoughts, please don't take it the wrong way:
  • Seems like you have plenty of guns. Maybe focus on getting out hunting more, with whatever nice springer you've already got?
  • You had a TX200. Said it was accurate and that you'd buy one again. But as you know, they're quite heavy. How about an Air Arms Pro Sport, in your preferred caliber? It's like the TX200, but with cleaner lines, due to the shorter, hidden under lever. The fact that it's harder to cock doesn't matter for hunting, as you won't be cocking it as much as if you were going to plink with it or something. Someone at Air Arms also said it is more refined than the TX200. Maybe try one, and get it tuned if it is not smooth enough.
  • How about the 12 ft-lb Walther springer, that is said to be very quiet and smooth? JoeWayneRhea posted someone's 50 yard group from one the other day, and it was impressive. I YouTube'd it and found a video of a UK guy shooting one, and it was very quiet, too. Also, it's something different than what you've had.
  • You didn't mention what you're hunting, but from your avatar, I'm guessing squirrels. You mentioned pinpoint accuracy, so I think .177 will do. Keep that nice flat trajectory.

from Chip @ Crosman: "Hear me now listen to me later: hold off until January. Something magical is coming from Crosman."

Does that mean Crosman is finally going to make an accurate mid-power springer/gas ram gun? :D
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All good point Smaug. I do hunt ALOT!! The only springer I currently have that I do hunt with is my BSA SS .177. It has killed tons of squirrels, but being a magnum springer, it isn't my favorite. My other springers are low powered paper punchers, hence the desire for a new addition.

I mainly hunt with my pcp's but hoping a new springer will get me excited about springers once again?
 
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Aaron I hate to agree with you on this post .....But I honestly don't anticipate anything that'll catch my interest ... Chip is a stand up guy , but Quality spring rifles is not a market I think Crosman targets . The big 4digit speed numbers on the side of their boxes is what sells I guess .
In the same way a lot of scope makers go for higher and higher magnification instead of quality glass and construction. The buyers determine the market . We vote with our dollars . There is no doubt in my mind they could make a truly refined springer , but I can't imagine that's their plans
 
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"Wolverick"Looks like you need a Hatsan. I envy anyone who can say price is no concern. My latest purchase (due tomorrow) is a Hatsan 95 Vortex QE .25. From all I have read the .25 kicks butt with only a minimal drop at forty yards. I rarely get shots at small game beyond that . My Hatsan Edge Vortex in .22 is super accurate so I am hoping for at least the same in the 95. I use open sights mostly with the current exception being my Crosmam Phantom which has a red dot on it and is amazingly accurate too.

​I have been looking at the 95 ever since I first got back into airguns. I like the look of it and the reviews are almost all excellent. While I have several plastic stock guns in both PB and AR I wanted something in wood. The adjustable two stage trigger is a big plus. My experience with the Edge is a big plus too. Add to that it was on sale a Wing Supply for the lowest price I have seen it for and I jumped on it.
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Go wash your mouth with soap, twice! How dare you to mention that Turkish garbage in the same topic where German top rifles like FWB, Weihrauch and Diana are mentioned in. 😂😜

Seriously, go for the Germans. These are
rifles your kids and grandkids will play with when you're done with them. 
 
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Hahaha, no worries mate. ;) 

I owned some Hatsies, the level of engineering is way below my standards. Okay, you can advice me to lower my standards, but not when it comes to hunting. You need a humane kill, hence an accurate and reliable rifle. I own a Diana 340 N-Tec, great rifle, only a bit on the heavy side. But I'm used to carrying 50 pounds of gear, not including my rifle. So for me it's not an issue.



If you want a serious air rifle, consider a .22 FX Independence. I know it's not a springer, but it's the best of both worlds when it comes to PCP's vs springers. 

 
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"ajshoots"
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Well, coming from PCPs, you should realize that no springer with adequate killing power is going to approach what you're used to. PCPs are nice for a mix of high power and accuracy, but they have their penalties too. (price, support gear needed)

So here are my updated thoughts, in order of preference: (yeah, I like bullet lists)
  1. Walther LGU. Probably a better shot cycle and certainly quieter than a stock TX200 or Pro Sport. Maybe lighter too. 12 FPE is enough power, if you're reasonably good at stalking. (esp. since it is accurate)
  2. Air Arms Pro Sport. You had the TX200 and liked it pretty well. Maybe try something a bit different.
  3. Beeman R1 and have it tuned to smooth it out. This rifle is pretty legendary. It was once considered a magnum, (THE magnum) but now is on the high end of medium. They still rate well.
  4. Have your BSA professionally tuned!
  5. Beeman R9 or Weihrauch HW50. A bit more oomph than the much-loved R7/HW30, but still smooth, easy to cock, accurate, etc.
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    At any rate, let us know what you end up deciding.
 
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Smaug, I actually started my airgunning career with springers and have never been without at least one springer since. I am well aware of the differences between springers and pcp's.

My BSA is tuned, but I just would like another springer to add to the collection. My springer to pcp ratio is getting out of whack at 10 to 4. Unless something new and exciting comes out, I will probably get an LGU. But, I like the HW97 as well.

Thanks for all your input!!
 
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gamyrickThe LGU is not in the same ball game as the TX200 or the HW97. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRoD4bPnAh8 When my first TX200 was stolen, in Phoenix, I looked at the LGU and the HW97. I chose the TX200 because I knew what I was getting and it was much easier to disassemble than the HW97. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fg2U78vl67I
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Thanks for the videos!! It has been atleast 10 years I believe since I had a TX and had forgotten how simple they are to work on, yet a super solid rig!! Did you go with beech or walnut? I believe yours is .22 correct? Would you still buy the .22 over .177 and why?
 
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I went with the beech, but after seeing a Walnut stock in person, I really wish that I had spent the extra money. The walnut is beautiful. I have the .22 because it gives me more ft/lbs at longer ranges and enables me to take raccoon, skunk, woodchuck and fox out to 35 yards with 9.5 ft/lbs delivered accurately at that distance. I really like the HW97 and I think that it's a great gun as well but I can't rebuild it in the back woods of Maine or the Great North Woods of New Hampshire.
 
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Hmm, I wouldn't let the looser underlever on the Walther ruin it for me. Who goes around banging the forearm around like that? On the flip side, it takes a good bit of effort to free it.

Don't get me wrong, I have the TX, and i like it, but it's a heavy beast; not something I'd want to carry around hunting. Also, it borders on magnum power, IMO. I haven't chrono'd mine yet, but it feels like it is shooting HARD, and straightshooters' data supports that. (15 fpe in 177, 17 in .22)
 
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I don't have my mind made up, but I don't mind a heavy springer. A heavy gun at 15fpe is much easier to shoot than a light one. My BSA used to shoot over 900fps with 7.9gr premiers. At 15fpe and a light gun, it was hard to shoot at times. It is now 12fpe and a joy to shoot.

I do like how easy the TX comes apart. Regardless what I buy, it will get tuned probably before I ever shoot it. I could have a Vortek kit in a TX in no time and I do like that.

Anyone know if you need a spring compressor for a 97 or the lgu?
 
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AJ, seems like you're leaning toward the TX200 now. How about the ProSport? It seems more suited for hunting, with the hidden under lever. If you would have it (de)tuned before ever using it, that makes the case even stronger, as it won't be as hard to cock.

Search YouTube for a video on how to disassemble the HW97. I can't remember where it is, but I've seen them both disassembled on YouTube. It's more involved, and doesn't necessarily require a spring compressor. The disassembler pushed it down hard against his workbench during certain steps...
 
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