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    Ogpnutbutta
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    Hi all new guy here. I am moderately experienced hunter and trapper with a
    firearms and archery equipment. 

    I am looking for a budget air gun around 200 to 300 usd that I could hunt squirrel and use to work a trap line. The most common game would be squirrel and rabbit at distances up to 50ish yards, but working a trap line I will encounter, raccoon, opossum, skunk, and rarely coyote or fox. Shots on the trap line are usually 1 to 2 feet for the k9s, coon, and opossum an 15 yds or so for skunk. 

    I have called around and being in eastern Ohio the closest place I can get a hpa fill is 90 minutes one way. I had the same problem when getting my hpa paint ball tanks filled when I played paintball. So unfortunately until I can make the investment in a compressor pcp guns are off the table. 

    So realisticly at point blank range do you think a .22 Springer or nitro piston gun using heavier pellets could do in a coyote or fox cleanly? I know it would work for all my other needs for sure this is the only use I am unsure of.

    Before anyone gets rilled up I trap on several properties for predator management to ensure deer and livestock herds thrive and nuisance animals destroying crops. It might be looked down on but someone has to do it.

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    EMrider
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    At PBR a .22 springer has plenty of power to dispatch a coyote or fox.

    In your price range I’d go with a Diana RWS34 in .22, now selling for about $255 on Amazon.  This is a high quality German made springer that should perform well for decades.

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    JoeWayneRhea
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    +1 with EMRider …Great choice and super high quality built gun . A 22Nitro piston would also work .But If you have the extra to spend , you Can’t go wrong with the Diana ! 

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    Mattblum
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    Nobody here will sneer at pest control. The fact that you get paid is a plus. As you say, someone has to do it. Look at the hunting section here and you’ll see plenty.

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    Ogpnutbutta
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    Thank you all very much. That diana looks very nice. Id almost be afraid to scratch it up. Unfortunately I couldn’t find the polymer model for sale at that price.

    Other than looks is there any practical advantages over something like this http://www.airgundepot.com/gamo-accu.html?
    I was also looking like a ruger Yukon, Gamo mach 1, or benjamin rouge np2. Are any of these garbage? The reviews look great. I really like the Gamo accu with a rotary mag, under cocking lever, fixed breech and iron sights. I just worry that its garbage
     

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    EMrider
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    Opinions vary of course, but my experience is that the build quality, accuracy and durability of the German springers is superior to that of the Gamo or Crosman nitro pistons.  I had a Gamo Whisper and IMHO it was over-powered and inaccurate so it went away.  Do a search for more feedback on the RWS 34.  I hunt with all of my springers and never sweat a scratch or two on the wooden stocks.  A well used gun always looks better to me than a safe queen.  Good luck choosing.

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    Seth0764
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    Hatsan USA has some great deals right now on break barrel rifles

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    Grumpytroll
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    Yep I have a Hatsan Vortex Edge .22 it is perfect for what you need and light to carry have taken squirrel and coon with it at 35 yards about as far as I trust my old eyes lol.
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    intenseaty22
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    “Ogpnutbutta”Thank you all very much. That diana looks very nice. Id almost be afraid to scratch it up. Unfortunately I couldn’t find the polymer model for sale at that price.

    Other than looks is there any practical advantages over something like this http://www.airgundepot.com/gamo-accu.html?
    I was also looking like a ruger Yukon, Gamo mach 1, or benjamin rouge np2. Are any of these garbage? The reviews look great. I really like the Gamo accu with a rotary mag, under cocking lever, fixed breech and iron sights. I just worry that its garbage

     

    Edit: http://www.airgunnation.com/topic/watch-discuss-the-diana-am03-stealth-video-by-aeac/

    However, after reading your post well, I had overlooked “point blank” Yeah, the Gamo Accu will do it. The Diana Stealth is like $500 or so. 

    
I actually own that gun in .22. I loved it at first and it did the job out to 30 yards. But you will end up buying the German gun in the end. My advice, buy the Diana, you will only buy once. The Gamo’s quality is not really up to par. My front end sight broke off in less than a week (gun fell over-my bad) and after a while it just doesn’t shoot well anymore. 

    You may want to look at the Diana.22 that Steve (AEAC) reviewed recently. Stealth something or other. It’s was the last giveaway. Look it up. 

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    intenseaty22
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    And btw, the scope on that Gamo Accu will self distrust in one day shooting the gun. So don’t count on it. You will need minimum UTG. 

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    Ogpnutbutta
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    Thank you all for the replies, 
    I was looking at upgrading the glass on any rifle I get anyway to something in 3-9 with mil dots.

    I really like the German guns a lot but at 250 to 300 bucks as a starting point it’s not really appealing.especially since in 2 to 3 years ill be going with a pcp anyway when I get a shoe box or other compressor and a tank. Maybe sooner if I can find a compressor at a used sale. And getting a .25 marauder

    I think a hatsan in 22 or .25 30 they seem the best value for money. 

    From what I’ve read here so for anything imarex or ruger I should avoid, Gamo sights are cheap but its ok not great, same goes for crossman any others I should avoid?

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    Quintoona
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    I would temper your expectations from spring gun hunting.  I would expect an effective range of about 30-35yds for taking ethical shots.  Especially if you are new to shooting spring guns.  I would also recommend you not look at anything shooting over 15-16fpe for your first springer.  Above that and you’ll start running into headaches with accuracy and scopes.  If you want a hunting break barrel, I’d highly recommend an HW50 or HW95.  The RWS 34 is a sensible choice, but for just a little bit more, the Weihrauchs are a lot nicer.  What you should be looking at, for your price range, is a Benjamin Maximus combo direct from Crosman using the AGNATION coupon code for 25% off.  Maximus starter kit with gun, pump, target, and pellets comes to $262.49.  Free shipping on Fridays.  The Maximus would make a great, light weight, no nonsense field gun with enough shot count for a day of hunting.  Plus you’ll have an air source that will be usable with any future PCP purchase.  Hand pumping gets old if you do a lot of target shooting but is really no big deal at all for hunting.  A couple minutes pumping the night before and you’re good for the day.  You might find you really like the lighter platform over a Marauder, especially if you are loaded down with trapping gear already.

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    Brian.in.MI
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    If carrying a firearm is a no-no, have you thought about a black powder pistol? It’d be a whole lot easier to carry around than a springer, 30x as powerful and about the same price. If making longer shots was a concern, I wouldn’t even mention it. 

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    Ogpnutbutta
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    “Brian.in.MI”If carrying a firearm is a no-no, have you thought about a black powder pistol? It’d be a whole lot easier to carry around than a springer, 30x as powerful and about the same price. If making longer shots was a concern, I wouldn’t even mention it. 


    Well I’m not really into powder burners much anymore. Ohio also has a zero tolerance law, meaning anything that “powers a projectile by means of combustion” is legally a firearm. So if firearms are a no no black powder is a no no.

    That maximus is what I’m getting 100% thank you

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    Jeffhalfrack
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    I’d say a “P-rod” is a near perfect  for what you do,,,there are mods and tuning that you can do,, but stock is fine ,,,I’ve trapped quite a bit ,,and I used a crossman 1322 with a shoulder stock for years,,,,,the k9’s present an easy target ,,the crossman hand pump is no problem good luck Jeffw

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    MJS
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    Another strong vote for the Benjamin Maximus in .22.  I’ve owned a lot of quality springers (HW 50s, RWS 34, 36, Beeman HW R10) but I get much cleaner and more humane kills with the Maximus and a $30 scope.  For me, it’s much easier to shoot accuratey than my springers were and it drops rabbits on the spot at 20-30 yds.  With each fill I get an honest 15 to 20 shots between 775 and 825 fps with 15 grain JSB or Crosman HP pellets.  I’m in my 60’s and the gun is very easy to pump up to 2000 psi by hand.  I like the light weight and synthetic stock.  No frills but it sure takes care of business.

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    sonny
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    that rws 34 in .22 you cant go wrong

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    JimNM
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    For rugged and simple…go with a spring or nitro power gun.  The PCP is great, but then you are dependent on an air source…bottle or pump.

    The spring/nitro piston is simple and self contained.  Grab gun and pellets and go shoot as much as you need to.  Put it away when you are done, and grab and go the next time.

    IMHO, of course.

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