Hawke Sidewinder First Focal Plane 6-24 x 56… Nice!!!

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    JoeKool
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    Airgun Nation Peoples, (warning long read)

    I’ve been on a humble quest to find and purchase a airgun scope that would excel in the type of airgun shooting I do.  Must have features of my airgun scopes include:  a mil reticle with some manner of windage aim points, side parallax focus adjustment (down to 10 yards), a wide magnification range, illuminated reticle, and preferable $500-ish or under price point.

    Only learned about the concept of first focal plane scopes a year ago, and they seemed very intriguing to me.  But my old-faithful Hawke Airmax 30 second focal plane scopes where doing their duties just fine.  The only snag was that I set and zeroed all my second focal plane scopes to 10x magnification and basically left them there.  I memorized my holdovers  at 10x magnification. Using different magnifications or zooming in on long range holdover shots changes POI.  They require more trajectory math and frankly take too long to figure out on a 15 second or less window for a kill shot on game.  Making the zoom feature almost useless for shots requiring hold over.  On the bench maybe with range cards and smartphone apps but in hunting way to slow.  Enter the first focal plane concept. 

    FIRST FOCAL PLANE (FFP)
    First focal plane optical systems have their reticle positioned toward the turrets of the riflescope, after the magnification system. As such, the visible size of the reticle changes with an alteration to the riflescope’s magnification – the target image behind the reticle will stay in proportion to the reticle as the magnification is adjusted.  This means that the reticle’s aimpoints are correct on all magnification settings.  At lower magnifications the visible reticle size will be smaller.  At higher magnifications the visible reticle size will be larger.

    SECOND FOCAL PLANE (SFP)
    Second focal plane optical systems have their reticles positioned toward the eyepiece of the riflescope, before the magnification system.As such, the visible size of the reticle does not change with an alteration to the riflescope’s magnification – only the target image behind the reticle will increase and decrease as the magnification is adjusted.
    Each reticle is designed with its aimpoints calibrated on a specific magnification.  At lower magnifications the target size between the aimpoints will be larger.At higher magnifications the target size between the aimpoints will be smaller.

    My game changer = the 2018 Hawke Sidewinder First Focal Plane 6-24 x 56!!!  The scope I have been wishing for!!!  I have been close to pulling the trigger on the Aztec Emerald scope because I really like its reticle and features, but this Hawke FFP has raised the bar with a very similar reticle but has illumination and its First Focal Plane!  The reticle thickness is perfect zoomed in or out.  Attached to my FX Crown Walnut .25 it is a match made in heaven!  No more 10x zoom only, holding over at any magnification with no POI shift is magical!!  How a scope should work.  Oh boy!  Anybody in the market for a new scope should take a serious look at these new Hawke Sidewinder First Focal Plane Scopes!  I highly recommend them!  The sidewinder platform has been around and is proven, may not be everyones cup of tea but I think its very good. Like it so much I ordered a second Sidewinder 4-16 x 50 FFP for my FX Streamline!

    Pyramid Air links below:

    https://www.pyramydair.com/s/a/Hawke_Sidewinder_FFP_6_24x56_Scope_FFP_MIL_IR_Reticle/8565

    https://www.pyramydair.com/s/a/Hawke_Sidewinder_FFP_4_16x50_FFP_MIL_IR_Reticle/8564

    Check out the pictures.

     

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    Bob_O
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    This very scope arrived at my doorstep yesterday.  Will get it mounted to the Wildcat this evening.  

    The Athlon Argos 6-24×50 FFP will go on my Streamline.  

    And my original Sidewinder 30 6.5-20×42 will go on my AR-15!!!

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    Bob_O
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    Got the new Hawke mounted up last night.  Next video will have scope cam through it.   The glass on the Hawke is slightly better than the Athlon it replaced.  

    Though I have no gripes about the Athlon….well aside from the very stiff magnification ring. But that was so minor it didn’t bug me much.

    Can hardly wait to use the new scope. 🙂

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    JoeKool
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    Awesome Bob!  Keep us updated, my Hawke FFP 4-16×50 for the FX Streamline will be in tomorrow.  No complaints on any front here.  My favorite features are the reticle and FFP zoom and boom hold overs are consistent on any magnification!

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    Bob_O
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    The Streamline with a nice scope is a wicked combo!!!

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    txrpls
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    I have both the Athlon and the Hawke, and I like the reticle in the Athlon better. The numbers in the Athlon makes finding your holdovers much quicker. No counting marks, especially at lower magnification.  I use the Hawke more as it has a threaded eyepiece that I can use to attach my Sony Camera. Otherwise, I would mount up the Athlon on my Impact.  Coming from the smoke stick world, I miss the zero stop of the S&bs and Hensholdt scopes, but at 1/6 the price, I can learn to live without them. 🙂

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    Bob_O
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    Yes, I do like the numbers in the APMR reticle.   I’ll see how I can get along without them this weekend.

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    JoeKool
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    She’s here,
    She’s installed,
    and She’s zeroed!!

     

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    Bri_guy
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    Looks awesome! My streamline has the MTC Viper pro. Made the range tape myself. It’s deadly accurate. 

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    JoeKool
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    “Bri_guy”Looks awesome! My streamline has the MTC Viper pro. Made the range tape myself. It’s deadly accurate. 

    
Thanks, kool!

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    Bob_O
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    Had a great day with the Hawke yesterday.  Definitely would buy again.

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    Bob_O
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    I’ve been asked what the reticle looks like at full magnification (24x), so here is a pic of that followed by what it looks like at the other magnifications.

    [b]24x[/b]
    http://airgunnationforum.s3.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/1529865853_15279352375b2fe67d9e8810.08194533_IMG_20180624_142206.jpg

    [img]http://airgunnationforum.s3.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/1529865853_15279352375b2fe67d9e8810.08194533_IMG_20180624_142206.jpg[/img]

    [b]22x[/b]
    http://airgunnationforum.s3.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/1529865890_18424847155b2fe6a22da157.91716022_IMG_20180624_142227.jpg

    [img]http://airgunnationforum.s3.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/1529865890_18424847155b2fe6a22da157.91716022_IMG_20180624_142227.jpg[/img]

    [b]20x[/b]
    http://airgunnationforum.s3.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/1529865927_11747844045b2fe6c7479e67.03337723_IMG_20180624_142241.jpg

    [img]http://airgunnationforum.s3.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/1529865927_11747844045b2fe6c7479e67.03337723_IMG_20180624_142241.jpg[/img]

    [b]18x[/b]
    http://airgunnationforum.s3.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/1529865975_12211818605b2fe6f72133a5.55482012_IMG_20180624_142254.jpg

    [img]http://airgunnationforum.s3.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/1529865975_12211818605b2fe6f72133a5.55482012_IMG_20180624_142254.jpg[/img]

    [b]16x[/b]
    http://airgunnationforum.s3.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/1529866003_9882603395b2fe713818a93.51736958_IMG_20180624_142303.jpg

    [img]http://airgunnationforum.s3.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/1529866003_9882603395b2fe713818a93.51736958_IMG_20180624_142303.jpg[/img]

    [b]14x[/b]
    http://airgunnationforum.s3.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/1529866031_16531729085b2fe72f16e051.40056358_IMG_20180624_142316.jpg

    [img]http://airgunnationforum.s3.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/1529866031_16531729085b2fe72f16e051.40056358_IMG_20180624_142316.jpg[/img]

    [b]12x[/b]
    http://airgunnationforum.s3.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/1529866062_7228315715b2fe74ee6a8c2.72026590_IMG_20180624_142328.jpg

    [img]http://airgunnationforum.s3.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/1529866062_7228315715b2fe74ee6a8c2.72026590_IMG_20180624_142328.jpg[/img]

    [b]10x[/b]
    http://airgunnationforum.s3.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/1529866091_7661977555b2fe76b565d44.73983728_IMG_20180624_142335.jpg

    [img]http://airgunnationforum.s3.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/1529866091_7661977555b2fe76b565d44.73983728_IMG_20180624_142335.jpg[/img]

    [b]8x[/b]
    http://airgunnationforum.s3.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/1529866113_10695774015b2fe7815947c5.61604362_IMG_20180624_142348.jpg

    [img]http://airgunnationforum.s3.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/1529866113_10695774015b2fe7815947c5.61604362_IMG_20180624_142348.jpg[/img]

    [b]6x[/b]
    http://airgunnationforum.s3.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/1529866136_9353176825b2fe7983327b3.02991835_IMG_20180624_142410.jpg

    [img]http://airgunnationforum.s3.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/1529866136_9353176825b2fe7983327b3.02991835_IMG_20180624_142410.jpg[/img]

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    Bob_O
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    Hmm…..in preview mode I can see the pics just fine but they aren’t displaying in the post.

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    Nothing I’ve tried to display the image in the post has worked.   I put links there so you can click on them and see the pics.  Sorry!

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    SMH77
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    I concur with Joe and Bob regarding the Hawke FFP scope.  I've owned mine for several months now and absolutely love it!  I just found an outstanding deal on a new one so I picked up a second one for my son's Wildcat build that I'm putting together for him. Anyway, right after I got the scope I did a pretty extensive comparison to the Athlon Argos BTR FFP scope (6-24×50) and the Hawke Airmax 6-24-50 scopes since I had them both at the same time.  That post is here: https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/scope-review-hawke-sidewinder-ffp-6-24-x-56mm-vs-argos-airmax-30/  I do concur with the comment above too: I would prefer to have the numbers labeled on the full MIL hash marks for quicker reading (Looks like they've done this on the two newest FFP scopes Hawke just released)-but its a pretty minor complaint for an overall fantastic scope. Bob, There must have been a forum software change recently because none of my images or links are working either. Sean

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    I should add also that a big takeaway from my scope comparison testing: the eye box is significantly better on the Hawke FFP scope than it is on the Athlon Argos!  My son is really excited to have learned I'm getting him the same scope I use on my RAW.  He shot it at spinners (at 100 yards) this past weekend and was nailing them (2") at about a 85-90% hit rate, lying in the prone position, off a fake Atlas bipod (read: not super steady).  I can't wait to get his setup all done for him…

     

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    Here's the newest (must have just been recently?) Hawke FFP scopes: FRONTIER FFP 5-25×56 MIL EXT and the reticle that I was mentioning above (where the added the hash numbers to the reticle):

     

    The show stopper (for me) with this scope is that it only focused down to 25 yards…

     

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    Hotbrass
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    Ordered the 6-24×56 FFP SW for my RAW. Good price at $459 shipped.

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    SMH77
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    I hesitate to say this, but I will: I got my son's scope from DVOR.com for $385, brand spanking new!  I couldn't believe it after paying $539.99 for mine just a few months back…

     

    Sean

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    hollowpoint
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    Sean, you paid $385 for the First Focal version of the sidewinder?!

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    hollowpoint

    Sean, you paid $385 for the First Focal version of the sidewinder?!

    Yes, I did!  I couldn't believe they listed it; I honestly thought they did it on accident, but I wasn't going to point it out.  Model number 17420-identical to the one I paid $539.99 for just a few months back-brand new (no marks, blems, finger prints or anything else), works great from my quick check out, has all the accessories, etc.

    DVOR.com lists deals for Optics Planet for limited time runs only (but the reappear over time).  This deal was only available for like 5 days…

    And yes: it IS the First Focal Plane version of the 6-24 x 56 mm scope-I know, its hard to believe, but its sitting on my computer desk next to me as I type this.  It will be going on his FX WildCat Mk II (when I buy it for him).

     

    Sean 

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