Hawke scopes, please explain

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    Trailryder42
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    Is it just me? Am I missing something?

    I really like the Mil reticle of the Hawke scopes but they couple them with MOA turrets. What the heck?  That is undesirable and frowned upon by powder gun shooters.

    Why does the airgun crowd buy this type of scope and why does Hawke and other brands market them toward airgun shooters?
     

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    rjos3ph
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    I bought my Hawke sidewinder before I knew very much about scopes. I found out later about mils and moa. I can’t understand why any company would mix moa and mil in the same scope, makes no sense. Maybe it’s the market of uninformed buyers.

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    kuyatwo
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    I would look at Aztec optic scopes moa turret and reticle

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    Tominco
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    I think the attraction to many Hawke scopes is that they focus down to 10 yards which many airgun shooters find useful. They also have very good clarity and a lifetime warranty for the original purchaser. 
    And, you’re absolutely correct! Mixing MOA and MIL adds to confusion and can be very frustrating. 
    I’d also agree with @kuyatwo, check out Aztec scopes as an alternative. I have both brands and would be hard pressed to say which I like more. 
    Tom

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    Scotchmo
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    “Trailryder42”Is it just me? Am I missing something?
    I really like the Mil reticle of the Hawke scopes but they couple them with MOA turrets. What the heck?  That is undesirable and frowned upon by powder gun shooters.
    Why does the airgun crowd buy this type of scope and why does Hawke and other brands market them toward airgun shooters?

     

    
For an SFP scope with variable magnification, there is no benefit to using mil turrets with a mil reticle. The subtensions vary as the magnification varies. So, in most instances the mil turrets will not match the subtensions of the reticle. With an FFP scope, they always match.

    Mil turrets are usually 1/10 mil which is fairly coarse. Even coarser than 1/4″ or 1/4 MOA turrets and much coarser than 1/8 turrets. If I have a variable mag SFP “mil-dot” scope, I would prefer 1/4″ or 1/8″ turrets.

    Mil turrets on a high power (>10x), variable mag, SFP scope? I don’t see the point. Do they even exist? The manufacturers generally know what they are doing.

     

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    Tominco
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    Here’s a link to the Emerald series 5.5-25×50

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    RBAZ
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    also, look into athlon ffp scopes…you can get them in either mil or moa retical. replaced my hawke with one and am very pleased

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    Carpguy
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    I put the aztec emerald on my impact and couldn’t be happier … have hawke scopes with the amx reticle on other air rifles but i like the aztec just a bit more 😊

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    rjos3ph
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    The difference between .250 moa and .01 mil is only .110 at 100 yards, so the argument for finer adjustments for moa is not even worth mentioning. The fact is you are better off with matching reticle and turrets. At the appropriate magnification you will know exactly how many clicks you need to adjust at a glance, no math necessary.  I would say that’s a big plus

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    Trailryder42
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    “rjos3ph”The difference between .250 moa and .01 mil is only .110 at 100 yards,
     

    
I think you meant to say .1 mil (1/10 mil) , not .01.
      
     

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    agnthooziast
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    Just an opinion but I think people like graduated reticles and called them mil dot reticles for such a time like saying I need a kleenex when really all they would need is a usable tissue kind of a thing not really having known the true difference. Or a rubber band when many rubber bands are’nt rubber. Or a bandaide when there are many other small stick on bandages of the same nature…………I know you get my point. Sorry I couldn’t stop. uugh. 

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    Trailryder42
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    If you’re going to use a scope with a Mil reticle and MOA turrets, If my math is right, in a SFP scope, I guess you’d just have to remember that 1 mil in the reticle = fourteen 1/4 moa clicks on the turret and 1/2 mil in the reticle = seven 1/4 moa clicks, at 100 yards, at the zoom level the reticle is calibrated for (usually full mag).

    Then if you use the zoom at anything other than full mag, all bets are off. lol  I guess tho figuring things at half mag would still be doable on the fly.

    Makes my head hurt.

    I bought an Athlon Helos FFP last week that I’m getting to know.

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