Have I Lost It, I Don't Think I Can Turn Back !!!

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    wll2506
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    After playing with my 25 cal Condor’s and my 25 cal Sumatra and even my Career 22’s I don’t think I can go back to guns shooting less than ~40 fpe for serious hunting.. Yes I have some pretty powerful springers and gas ram guns, my stock Disco is a nice shooting starling and pigeons gun … but it is not a powerhouse hunting gun.

    Powerful PCP guns are just in a different world. Being I shoot mostly in the high desert where shots are almost always 50-75 yds, downrange ballistics are of major importance. My PCP guns are able to do it and because of their lack of recoil they are easier for me to be more accurate with.

    I just recently had a Hatsan AT44’s  .22 up for trade …. man alive I’m glad no one took me up on it, although I came pretty close. Although that gun is not in the same power category as my Condors, Sumatra or Career’s it is a pretty powerful gun giving me 20fpe at 80 yds, not to shabby !! I was not sure at first but I think it has what it takes for GS and Jacks, not just ~75 yards starlings and pigeons.

    How many of you are slowly letting go of your springers or ? because of the power of PCP’s.

    wll2506

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    The accuracy of the PCPs will make you drop a springer for dead…
    For over 30 years I did not think anything could out shoot my FWB 124.
    I bought a Marauder 25 and thought oh my gosh!!!!!!  
    Then I bought a Cricket 22, Holy cow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!    Then I bought a Cricket 25, POWER and accuracy,
    Then I bought a 22 short Mutant, One hole is one hole, There is no where else I can go,,,
    Unless  its pure energy 30cal 45 cal and on and on……….
    Mike

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    I have a rather large collection alot of which is high power. Of my high power pcp’s, the weakest is a 48fpe .22, and they climb up to 200fpe. I love high power hunting pcp’s, but I find myself more interested in my springers and I am actually buying more because of the challenge they present. Pcp’s are awesome, but I think they get a bit boring from time too time. I feel more accomplished making difficult shots with a springer.

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    Well……I dont know if I will be in the same boat as you……but I do have a .25 HM1000X LRT on order from Martin over in Tennessee. Grey laminate. Up to this point my most powerful airgun is a .22 running about 33fpe. I just couldnt talk myself into the .30 caliber due to pellet cost. I do alot of shooting. After seeing what my .22 does Im not sure I want 70 to 80 fpe. At least not around here in Louisiana. Shots are rarely far due to dense foilage. I would easily shoot 2 to 3 tins of .30 in a single Saturday where I live. I break open a new tin of .22 JSB every weekend seems like.

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    I do find myself shooting my springers a lot less since I got into PCPs. I use 3300 psi scuba tanks to fill (I’m too ‘value conscious’ to cough up the bucks for a CF tank) and my guns are tuned for lower fill pressure and don’t make that much power as a result. If I remember correctly my .25 Marauder is doing around 35 ft. lbs. and my .22 is doing just over 20 ft. lbs. The gun that has put my springer in the drawer is a nifty little CZ s200, it’s super accurate and very light and short which makes carrying it a breeze! Having said all that, shooting a springer will teach you a lot about follow through and will definitely make you a better shooter IMO.
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    Yes, the more I shoot my PCP’s the more I look at my springers as fun guns for messing around … the PCP’s are totally in a different class IMHO !

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    I started my PCP habit with a .22 Synrod to take out pest squirrels. After a new hammer forged barrel and tuning it to around 33 ft lbs, I pulled the trigger and bought an Impact in .25. Absolutely love the gun. Tons of power and accuracy. Shot count is phenomenal. I thought the Marauder would sit in the safe to rot away, but I find myself using it for certain applications where I don’t need all that power due to what my pellet stopper is ( a shed or something like that). I know the Impact has adjustable power, but I already know my Marauders trajectory and it seems easier to just use it than to learn several different power settings. I also have a huge starling problem at work and I am allowed to take them out on the weekends when I’m not on the clock. I need a low power rifle for that because the best shots I get are indoors and I don’t want to risk damaging anything. I’m very interested in the EdGun Leshiy when it comes out and hopefully they make a 12 ft lb version. It’ll be the perfect hangar gun ( I work in an aircraft hangar). So as much as I love the power of my Impact, I have a need for a full spectrum of power in air rifles. 

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    “JohnL57”I do find myself shooting my springers a lot less since I got into PCPs. I use 3300 psi scuba tanks to fill (I’m too ‘value conscious’ to cough up the bucks for a CF tank) and my guns are tuned for lower fill pressure and don’t make that much power as a result. If I remember correctly my .25 Marauder is doing around 35 ft. lbs. and my .22 is doing just over 20 ft. lbs. The gun that has put my springer in the drawer is a nifty little CZ s200, it’s super accurate and very light and short which makes carrying it a breeze! Having said all that, shooting a springer will teach you a lot about follow through and will definitely make you a better shooter IMO.
    John

    
I value shop for guns and all shooting accessories including scopes and filling gear.  There are some 45 minute CF tanks made in 2008 on ebay for $135.  You can build a SCBA fill assembly for $75. In my case-I found 3 60 minute (87 cubic feet) CF tanks for under $600.  I gave away my 2 springers after getting a PCP and haven’t looked back.   

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    “Helimech”I started my PCP habit with a .22 Synrod to take out pest squirrels. After a new hammer forged barrel and tuning it to around 33 ft lbs, I pulled the trigger and bought an Impact in .25. Absolutely love the gun. Tons of power and accuracy. Shot count is phenomenal. I thought the Marauder would sit in the safe to rot away, but I find myself using it for certain applications where I don’t need all that power due to what my pellet stopper is ( a shed or something like that). I know the Impact has adjustable power, but I already know my Marauders trajectory and it seems easier to just use it than to learn several different power settings. I also have a huge starling problem at work and I am allowed to take them out on the weekends when I’m not on the clock. I need a low power rifle for that because the best shots I get are indoors and I don’t want to risk damaging anything. I’m very interested in the EdGun Leshiy when it comes out and hopefully they make a 12 ft lb version. It’ll be the perfect hangar gun ( I work in an aircraft hangar). So as much as I love the power of my Impact, I have a need for a full spectrum of power in air rifles. 

    
I have a few spots that my QB78 and Disco come out and play, and that is usually for pest birds …. If I had your situation my Disco would be used a lot more and I’d probably be shooting CPHP, as they are cheap and darn accurate in my Disco. As a matter of fact I could see myself buying a 12flb Maximus in 177 and I’d have a great time ;- )

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    “JohnL57”I do find myself shooting my springers a lot less since I got into PCPs. I use 3300 psi scuba tanks to fill (I’m too ‘value conscious’ to cough up the bucks for a CF tank) and my guns are tuned for lower fill pressure and don’t make that much power as a result. If I remember correctly my .25 Marauder is doing around 35 ft. lbs. and my .22 is doing just over 20 ft. lbs. The gun that has put my springer in the drawer is a nifty little CZ s200, it’s super accurate and very light and short which makes carrying it a breeze! Having said all that, shooting a springer will teach you a lot about follow through and will definitely make you a better shooter IMO.
    John

    
I value shop for guns and all shooting accessories including scopes and filling gear.  There are some 45 minute CF tanks made in 2008 on ebay for $135.  You can build a SCBA fill assembly for $75. In my case-I found 3 60 minute (87 cubic feet) CF tanks for under $600.  I gave away my 2 springers after getting a PCP and haven’t looked back.   

    
Yes, I do know how you feel, after being away from airguns for years and slowly working my way back into it, PCP’s were the last thing I looked at again, I have quite a few of very nice Careers both carbines and rifles, and had to learn how to take them apart and install o rings and all that. When I shot them after not shooting them for some 25-30 years … boy did that bring back memories, I totally forgot how powerful these guns were and how loud  ;-  )

    My carbine in 22 is set up for about 16+ shots or so with an average velocity of 975fps (turn PW to adjust power) … that is a powerful gun for sure, the rifle in 22 is set up at over 1000 for about 16 shots (turn the PW for adjustment) and both guns drill aspirins ! I then got a used Sumatra in 25 and I’m lofting out 31gr Barracudas at 965fps+  ….. from there I got a Condor in 25 and now I’m way past the point.of no return !

    Both the Career/Sumatra and Condor are not fancy guns and have quirks for sure… but you can’t deny that they are both EXTREMELY powerful and when set up correctly are very accurate.. With these guns both the 22 and the 25 with the right pellet and the correct shot placement, I have no doubt that these guns are Coyote medicine for sure !

    I’m looking at a few Hatsan 125’s and some other very nice gas rams in my safe that are going to get the boot very shortly I do believe.

    wll2506

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