Hatson 44-10 Qe long choked barrel

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    Richard300
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    I was sizing the bore on the barrel on my hatson 44-10 long.
    As I was pressing the lead through the barrel It slid down the barrel with even pressure until about the last 2 in. Then it got tough pushing it through the barrel. I took a good look down the barrel and it looked good. I pressed 3 slugs though the barrel and the same thing every time.
    Does anyone know if these barrels are choked down at the end of the barrel. 
    If it is choked I will have to change the way I’m measuring.
    Thanks Richard

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    ajshoots
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    Your barrel is choked. Almost all factory airgun barrels are choked. Don’t order a die based on pushing a pellet thru the entire bore. You only need to push the pellet in 2-3 inches from the breech end then push it back out to get your groove measurement. If you size to your choke, your pellets will be entirely too small!!

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    Richard300
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    Man your a wealth of knowledge . Thanks again Richard

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    gorgata
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    that’s aj shoots for you

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    Bwalton
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    Food for thought a choked barrel is not going to do well with slugs……

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    ajshoots
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    He was referring to “slugging” the bore for measurement purposes to order the correct sized dies.

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    Richard300
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    I may just make up my own dies. I may not want to wait 6 wks..and learn and save some cash…

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    ajshoots
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    I have made my own and I surely respect taking the route to learn the most with the most personal reward at stake!! Best of luck and keep us posted. I am excited to see the gain in popularity of pellet sizing and all aspects of increased precision accuracy!! Building the knowledge base and bouncing ideas and theories off one another is how great things happen!!

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    Richard300
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    I enjoy learning …and trying things…but sometimes ideas don’t turn out as I planed. I will just have to see what happens…..   : ) I may just screw things up and have to order them anyway….hahaha         I am …not…. a good machinist by any means…. but I should get better with trial and error. I cant seem to understand how a pellet sizer could have died out. It only makes sense…. that the more you make something alike the better it would have to be. And in transition to pellets that would have to mean more accuracy. At least at the longer ranges. Its the same principle as arrows. I was lucky enough to have backing from a shop. They would let me check weight, straightness, and spine and pick the shafts that were the best. Just moving the knock from one vain to the other would effect impact points. Most just grabbed some arrows and shot and couldn’t figure out how they couldn’t keep a good group. I shot at a 5 spot target…and numbered each arrow. Each arrow would only be shot at the same x each round. Even after sorting, tuning, weighting, ect the impact of each arrow would be just a little different. So each shot you had to hold off just a little to get it to hit exactly in the center. Sorry about yammering on and on….I be-leave that that anything you do to make the pellet as close to exact to each other has to help. 
    Richard

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    Bwalton
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    Pellet sizing is not going to do much for a choked barrel as the choke sizes the pellets at the very end any way. the Hatsan barrels do well according to the standard head sizes. You are correct any little thing helps, but the most important ingredients are Crown, Fps, and Pellet head sizes. have those three and you have an accurate gun if the barrel itself is good. Now a days most pcp’s come with good barrels.

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    ajshoots
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    Have you ever sized pellets?? While I agree a good barrel with a properly tuned gun should be accurate. Pellet sizing is not intended to replace anything or be a magic accuracy cure. It is a means to extract the utmost precision coupled with many other things like a good crown and tune, etc. I have never recommended sizing for those shooting under 100 yards. Yrrah and other have long since proven the long range value of sizing coupled with steps like rolling pellets and such. It is not for everyone, but it can show improvements even for highly accurate guns.

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    Bwalton
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    I have sized, Lubed, did it all….But if im shooting a dime at 50yards and under an inch at 100yards out the tin, then that is all I need to hunt with. sure sizing pellets goes hand in hand for precision BR, But I do not think that he is doing BR right now. I shoot long range, under an inch at 100yards is every day practice for me, over 100yard shots on pest is all the time. Take my pellets right out the tin with a look over while loading. Without a low ES for an air rifle your groups will open up. So if accuracy is sought after all things must go hand in hand. as for me I put barrel, fps, and es are the very first things that I get out the way…….The pellets must like the barrel, be shot at the right speed and have a low es. Sizing is good to learn…..It really comes into play when using slugs.

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    ajshoots
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    Since my guns don’t shoot sub moa everytime with pellets straight out of the tin, I will have to continue sizing.

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    Richard300
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    : )…. you two have great points.
    I’m not trying to find out who is right on getting to the best pellet.
    Im just learning here and just sucking it all in.
    I like getting all kinds of feedback …toss all the info into my mind ..
    And use all the good info to guide me along the way. I will want to get all the accuracy I can out of this… not ….the top of the line rifle. Just to see how it shapes up against the big name guns.
    thanks again for all your help…. : )
    Richard

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    Bwalton
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    Richard I shoot and have shoot most air rifles.. almost every other day I shoot with my buddies that have Evanix both RSII in .25cal, and Windy City in .357, FX Boss in .30cal, The entire Daystate line seems like lol all the way to .303 cricket, .25cal RAW, Jkhan .25cal Slayer .357 these are just some of the rifles that I hunt together with and spend time at the range with which is a private range that hosted the BR Nationals last year. So I shoot almost on a daily basis. I run a lot of test in various situations. That Hatsan can do very well against higher end rifles but it needs to catch up in certain areas. Es, Barrel work, and fps. If you want to see how it might stack up here is one of my videos, and take a look at the other videos as well.  The first video is with 13mph winds with the BT65.25cal, 4 of the 5 shots were inside an inch, one shot the wind took it. The second video is my Modified .30cal @ 50yards , then the third is the .30cal at 100yards

    MOD EDIT: REMOVED 3RD VIDEO. PLEASE REFRAIN FROM PROMOTING YOUR BUSINESS.

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    That’s impressive …. outstanding shooting from you and the rifle. Great videos. I have been watching them for a while now. Great info on tuning and setting up your rifle. Hunting videos are well done also. Thanks for the videos …gives me hope…   : )
    Thanks Richard

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    Rich it has potential, but the way that the valve is made it looses efficiency, that has to be gained as well. But as it sits it can group good but you would need to shoot over the chrono and set it for a nice bell curve. 

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    Richard300
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    Yep I,m enjoying learning the tuning possess. One day I will learn how to do it right …then I can pass on my skills I have learned to others. 
    Thanks bwalton. 
    Richard

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    ajshoots
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    What barrels are used on Hatsans? Richard, What groove size did you get when you slugged your barrel?

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    Richard300
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    Stock….barrel? Not sure of the make…hatson I guess…I will get u the slug size…I got written down at home.

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