Hatsan Gladius Part III

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Is anyone else really disappointed in what Hatsan is offering with the Gladius and it's price point?

Hatsan are an entry level budget brand. Nothing wrong with that. They make decent first time pcp rifles for people looking to dip their toe. They had an opportunity to offer one of the first affordable bullpups but instead, they price it at $900. This is more than the Jkhan which has significantly more appealing specs. I was expecting a $600 bullpup. They would have sold like free drugs at that price point. 

I would be ok with the transition from entry level to middle premium if the specs backed it up but, looking at the info on the Pyramyd Air site, the Gladius is an AT44 in a bullpup stock. An ****ing heavy and underpowered one too. There is no reason on earth why a bullpup should cost more than a regular configuration rifle. A large manufacturer can make a trigger extension rod for pennies. An AT44 is a decent $450 starter PCP rbut for $900, there is a lengthy list of better ways to part with cash.

The .25 cal puts out a miserable 34ft lb, just like the AT44. There is a 42 ft lb version but that is too long to be a "real bullpup". Most other 25 cal air guns in that price range are closer to 50 ft lb (as they should be). They retained that awful automatic safety from the AT44 too.

It weighs well over 10lb without a scope. That's porkyer than Daystates baby elephant, the Pulsar. This alone is reason enough to never buy one. Whoever designed it is obviously not a hunter. Bullpups are meant to be light and agile. No bullpup should ever be more than 8lb before being scoped. 

I don't know if this is 100% true, but I have read that the version with LW barrels and regulators is not being offered in the US. At least not at launch, so $900 is without a decent barel or regulator. This would mean even more money is needed to bring it up to spec. We could be talking $1100 or $1200 based on what is typically charged for LW barrels and regulators, which is approaching Cricket and Wildcat pricing. I hope this is not accurate but they weren't advertising Lw barrels on the PA, and they would, wouldn't they? 

Not sure if Hatsan have become greedy, stupid or both but that slot for the elusive affordable bullpup is still wide open, waiting for someone with a brain to cash in. Maybe Crossman will wake up an release a Marauder bullpup before we die.

I'm glad I bought my Cricket and didn't bother waiting for Hatsan. It's just too little and too much, far too late. 

Even if if the specs weren't an abomination, if I spend close to $1000 on an Air gun, I really don't want it to have "Hatsan" printed on it. Sorry Hatsan but you are the Buick of Air guns. People only buy your products when they can't afford something better. There is a place for you but it is not alongside Evanix. 

Or maybe it's just me and everyone else is cleaning their under-garments at the thought of a 10lb, 34 ft lb, 25 cal bullpup for $900. 


 
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Ive never had a hatsan but I do like the looks of there bullpup and it has a lot of features for the 900$.I mean look at the bulldog it about 900$ also with less features and no regulator. I know the bulldog is a larger caliber meant for more serious hunting but something about the hatsan gets my attention.
I'm cool with the 10lbs,lol I lug around more than that when loaded for Paintball.:)
 
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No regulator is a Joke, i'm sure there valving system is not as good as air arms which have been doing it for decades. Air arms guns do a decent job unregulated, but have a difficult time with consistent accuracy that comes with low ES. So with an unregulated gun you have to sacrifice with a lower shot count to stay within the sweet spot. Just doesn't make since to offer a non regulated air gun in 2016. And yes i know you can have a regulator installed.
 
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This was an entirely poor, read and you do not have a clue as to what you are talking about. First off there is no such thing as an entry level pcp, all pcps are dangerous and ppl should have a good knowledge of them or else bad things can happen.... I think your saying that ppl buy Hatsans because they cant afford other rifle is outrageously small of you to say that, I do not think that was a very nice comment at all. I can buy any air rifle that I want bar none, I hunt on a weekly basis. I have shot and hunted with everything from Daystates, FX , Raw, Cricket, Mrod, Evanix, Jkhan and many others , So why do I have a Hatsan still, well its simple.. It has never gave me a reason to switch, I can put up the same groups as the rest, and in most cases better. I make the same kill shots, and in most cases longer.Ppl have the choice to buy what they like, or what fits their needs... Hatsan is Hatsan, FX, is FX, Vulcan is Vulcan I can shoot a 50yard group with 4 different rifles and my Hatsan and I would not have one problem giving you a $100 if you could just tell me the group that the Hatsan shot out of 5 groups...We are not here to down what ppl have, and how they spend their hard earned money, but to build and encourage one another in the airgun community. Now your opinion is your opinion.....I will not take that from you cause everyone ids entitled to one. There is a lot who do not care about weight like myself all I care about is know down power and accuracy. Your looking at the numbers but never picked one up or held one, like the others did in the video who owns 5 Daystates himself.
 
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"zebra"Sorry Hatsan but you are the Buick of Air guns. People only buy your products when they can't afford something better.
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I had a '87 Buick Grand National and it was a helluva a car, if you don't like the Gladius don't buy it, no need to rag on it because of your personal opinion.

BTW, I can afford any air rifle on the market, I picked up a Hatsan BT65 Elite because it was a great value and after Mr. Walton tuned it I would put it up against any PCP on the market in accuracy.

Hopefully these elitist attitudes don't become the norm here at AGN.
 
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"zebra"
I'm glad I bought my Cricket and didn't bother waiting for Hatsan. It's just too little and too much, far too late. 


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I've seen several videos of Baxter shooting 1/2" groups at 50 yards and 1" groups at 100 yards. Before talking trash about accuracy, how about posting some video of you shooting targets or making long kill shots? Or maybe you should look at videos of Jim Chapman. He has the chance to shoot just about any high cost gun and he rates Hatsan guns as very accurate. He also have a video of him making kill shots out to 120 yards with a 22 cal AT44. Out of 8 PCPs I own 4 are Hatsans. All my guns are tuned and regulated and I have no problems doing 50 yard 1/2 " groups or plinking out to 150 yards.
 
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"Bwalton"This was an entirely poor, read and you do not have a clue as to what you are talking about. First off there is no such thing as an entry level pcp, all pcps are dangerous and ppl should have a good knowledge of them or else bad things can happen.... I think your saying that ppl buy Hatsans because they cant afford other rifle is outrageously small of you to say that, I do not think that was a very nice comment at all. I can buy any air rifle that I want bar none, I hunt on a weekly basis. I have shot and hunted with everything from Daystates, FX , Raw, Cricket, Mrod, Evanix, Jkhan and many others , So why do I have a Hatsan still, well its simple.. It has never gave me a reason to switch, I can put up the same groups as the rest, and in most cases better. I make the same kill shots, and in most cases longer.Ppl have the choice to buy what they like, or what fits their needs... Hatsan is Hatsan, FX, is FX, Vulcan is Vulcan I can shoot a 50yard group with 4 different rifles and my Hatsan and I would not have one problem giving you a $100 if you could just tell me the group that the Hatsan shot out of 5 groups...We are not here to down what ppl have, and how they spend their hard earned money, but to build and encourage one another in the airgun community. Now your opinion is your opinion.....I will not take that from you cause everyone ids entitled to one. There is a lot who do not care about weight like myself all I care about is know down power and accuracy. Your looking at the numbers but never picked one up or held one, like the others did in the video who owns 5 Daystates himself.
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Entry level refers to the price, not how dangerous it is. Now take your chill pill
 
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That makes no sense as there are plenty of rifles at the same price point... On PA there are 138 pcp's from 400-$900 ? are these all entry level? So If I pay more I then have a pro rifle? I see in a thread that you are indeed having problem with the pro rifle????? No bashing you at all, but I have had my Hatsan for over a year now and shoot almost every day, and hunt once a week some times twice a week when the getting is good and the only issue I had wad running out of pellets.

http://www.pyramydair.com/a/Air_guns/588/pr_400_0T900_0
 
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I don't this is an issue pro rifles, its more or less that saying you get what you pay for. The benjamin marauder is a great rifle but its an entry level PCP because of fit and finish and options i guess. As you move up Hatsan, Airfare, Ataman, etc you start expecting even more: accuracy actually gets better. Then you move up again and there sometimes light weights, accuracy is still on point, more shot count maybe sexy wood or stocks, external adjustability or power settings (Cricket, Air arms daystate, Fx, Vulcan). Something on these lines. Pro rifles are in my mind for competition like olympic 10 meter and professional clubs where there is big money and trophies to be won. Where you have to where one of those funny looking shooting jackets.
 
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