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Hatsan .25 edge vortex rifle – Junk or Good !!!

Forums General Discussion Hatsan .25 edge vortex rifle – Junk or Good !!!

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    Fasteddie686
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    Just a ? for you all I was thinking of purchasing a .25 caliber and I found the Hatsan edge vortex — is this rifle worthy $100.00 or just save up and buy a Benjamin trail for another $100.00 – I don't know pros and cons of this rifle — Thanks Eddie !!!

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    2manyAirGunz
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    JamesD.
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      If you are just getting into air guns, and even think you’ll enjoy precise shooting from home yard, basement, pesting, etc. Then please hear me out.

      I understand you want a .25 spring gun for some reason. I don’t know your needs, distances, expectations, amount of shooting you’ll likely do. I don’t know if ya want a .25 for “power”, hunting, target groups, all of this & more. That would help me to guide you better but a few main things stay true no matter what.

      I started way back at 5 with a Crosman 760. Jump forward to 34 & I’m introduced to spring guns & PCP’s. I get a Gamo, a Discovery, my 1st of 9 or 10 Marauders. Excellent rifles that can be made to shoot as well as ANY production air rifle with modifications. Sticking to your question with the little I know.

      A .25 spring gun/gas ram of Hatsan quality claim to fame being powerful may fill your need of a raccoon at 25 yards. You CAN find a pellet it likes and easily shoot out to 100 yards if you wanted. I’d only do paper & plinking any target you choose at that distance. Even if with a high end .25 spring gun like a Kodiak, Patriot, or custom barreled RWS, as hunting requires ethics to preserve our privilege of being able to do so. Point is a .25 spring gun, I wouldn’t hunt Rabbits past 75 yards at most. That’s just me. 

      If you’re asking about quality. There are way better .25 spring guns. If you are after accuracy, that’s a variety of things coming together but yes, a Hatsan you asked about is capable within reason. I really need to know what you want/expect to do with it.

      Long short of it. Save & search. There’s guys here that would sell you a gorgeous Webley .25 spring rifle if you desire. A .22 I must tell you though in general can now do anything a .25 can but better as there’s so many pellet choices in same weight but .217” which means a higher BC. If you’re only going to shoot an occasional pest, yup to your question. If you even think you’ll be target shooting somewhat seriously then save & get a .25 RWS tuned by Scott, John Thomas, Ed, Lewis, anyone. A tune can make you love a gun you hated.

      I had some time so I expanded on this. I & many others could help a lot more if we knew exactly what you want/need her for. I personally would not buy a .25 spring gun except a powerful Hatsan gas ram & I’d only use it for head shots with hard lead pellets on a problem animal. Or soft lead JSB heart/lung shots, new Hades pellets. I don’t know if Hades would even work as designed from what we consider lower power these days. 

      How bout sharing what you’d like out of this rifle. Then sit back & read as the experts in that area would be happy to help. 

       

     

     Information. We want information. Tribute to tuners John Thomas & Motörhead Scott!

     

     

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    ranedouglas
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    .    the spring piston version i had chrono'ed the same as a .25 cometa 400 , also a .25 uk webley tomahawk – 645 fps with 20 grains.   they have the normal hollow quality stocks, which makes them 'muzzle heavy', but filling the stock makes gun too heavy – about 6 lbs in plastic stock version.  might consider the wood stocked version of striker 1000.  i bought one for my .20 webley vmx (same gun) for $60 from hatsan.    same gun clocks around 770 fps in .22 with 14.3 grainers and 830 fps with 11.4 grain .20 cals.   960 in .177 with 8 grains.   for a $100-$125 gun, they're not bad.  hatsan break barrels love ftt pellets.  i did buy a refurbed .25 model 85 vortex sniper from field supply about a year ago.   i have had to replace a few of those vortex gas rams (they are actually hpa rams – they are adjustable with a hatsan pcp fill probe).   the one i got was dead upon arrival.  hatsan sent me a strut they rumaged up from the shop, but they were out of stock with the vortex things.  but when they work good – even the spring / piston version of the model 85's (or currently model 87) shoot great and are quieter.   cool sling-swivel idea, too.   they shoot around 770 fps in .22 . – but with the hpa strut in my .25 cal, i could only achieve a 618 fps average with 24 grains.   the strut i aired up another ten bars, but – take my advice and dont mess with changing the pressures in it b/c oil will come out if you decide to bleed it back down to whatever pressure it came with (115 bar ?) –  i think that leads to leaking with these struts.   cool idea , tho.   but the model 85 / 87 has the better quattro trigger.   …so, on the striker 1000's, you'll have to do the crosman trigger trick with the radio-control car wheel bearings.  or the spacers that go behind that bearing on the car work even better and trigger is less sensitive.   i've been shoving the np2 gas rams into those model 85's that have a blown vortex strut  – because too hard to get one from hatsan – shouldve just sent it back into them to make shoot the advertised 700 fps with their 20 grainers (rebadged ftt's) —– hatsan got me that time.  used to be hatsan was the only telling the truth about what velocities their spring / piston – type guns shoot – in lead.    that was why i got so involved into hatsan ( who was walther falcon hunter, and daisy 1000 powerline back then) – good barrels.  lots of power.    the strikers are decent guns , but my favorite hatsan break barrel is the .22 cal model 85 sniper.      cheers.  – paul.    -ps: and i understand why you'd want a low cost .25 air rifle.   that's why hatsan offers these less expensive (under $200) airguns in .25 caliber — so every airgunner can experience this boulder being hurled at a empty plastic bottle stuck on a branch of a tree 50 yards away.  the whole little valley i shoot in hears that beating.   and i'm doing that with a .25 co2 crosman 2400kt.   525 fps with 20 grains = 12 ftlbs.  and kinda like .177 is usually more accurate than .22 from most guns , .22 is more accurate than most all .25 airguns i have shot a bit.  the benjamin mrod barrels were pretty good (green mtn barrels?).    but just wait until you see what it does to squirrels and whatever's left of bird after it obliterated a sparrow down range on the target.  pooff.    o     and get ready to replace lots targets – .25 pretty much destroys the plywood backing where i stapled the targets…….damage…..i found those h&n excite line of copper-coated spitzkugels or the pointed ones that look rws superpoints to work best from that .25 hatsan model 85 vortex .   and it's crazy but the .25 h&n wadcutter work great downrange, too, from guns that shoot in the 600-680 fps range (non-magnums).    

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    ranedouglas.

    “hatsan break barrels love ftt pellets. “ 

    What are “ ftt “ pellets ? I’m new and not up to all the fancy abbreviations. 

    Thanks 

    Andy 

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    ranedouglas
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    ..sorry…  they are h&n field target trophy pellets.   same as the hatsan pellets they sell – they just put their company's sticker on the can , rebadge them.   lots of stuff in airgun land is simply rebadged and sold as their own.   hatsan also sells a lighter version of the ftt pellet and i buy those on sale at field supply.  they're 13 grains.  regular ftt pellets are 14.6 and you can usually order the head size.   like 5.53mm, or 5.51mm….they have a few different head sizes – bigger ones are harder to push into the breech of a break barrel, but fit tighter in the barrel.   hatsan does the same thing with the .25 caliber ftt pellets – put their own sticker on it.   the ftt pellets and the regular crosman premiers (not the hollow point premiers) are great pellets in all four conservative airgun calibers for me in most airguns.   the h&n pellets seem to be better in spring / piston guns, but the jsb pellets work better in co2 or pcp / hpa airguns (jsb uses softer lead). ……177, .20 , .22 , .25   or   4.5mm , 5.0mm , .5.5mm , 6.35mm (and really, this .25 cal i have only recently entertained unles it was shooting over 725 fps (.25 hatsan 125 , uk patriot, .25 gamo socom extreme , .25 diana 48 – all magnums).. . .   here's a link to the true ftt's by handler and nederman (h&n)  :  https://www.fieldsupply.com/airguns/ammo/h-n-field-target-trophy-25-cal-19-91gr-pellets.html         …   here's where i bought my .25 hatsan model 85 vortex sniper for $120 refurbed , but notice it's the same pellet :   https://www.fieldsupply.com/airguns/ammo/hatsan-vortex-supreme-pellets.html                      .25 caliber and .20 caliber airguns are usually easy to sell when you get tired of it.  there's nothing wrong with a .25 caliber air rifle for $100.  just needs a little work, and i can teach you about the trigger – and there's stuff all over the internet about this gamo-style trigger.  i'd get either camo stock or wood stock to make it easier to resell later on – unless your wife lets you pile them up.     – paul.

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    survivor45
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    Cool thanks. Great info ! 

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      coil spring version :     https://www.fieldsupply.com/airguns/hatsan-1000x-striker-air-rifle-combo-hardwood.html               …..                          ………   hpa strut version :      https://www.fieldsupply.com/airguns/hatsan-1000-vortex-air-rifle-combo-hardwood.html                                                     …….    the model 85 i had :     https://www.fieldsupply.com/airguns/hatsan-85-sniper-vortex-air-rifle-combo-black.html           

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    Fasteddie686
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    First off I want to thank all for your thoughts and your experience with air rifles. I should have explained in detail of what I was asking, I own 7 air guns from crosman 1377 and 1322 to benjamin 397 in pneuwmatic – my break barrels are benjamin f4 .177 benjamin prowler .22  benjamin black lightning .177 and benjamin silver eagle .22 – my silver eagle shoots like a dream as also does the the black lightning. I am 63 years young and was brought up using a 760 pump master then a daisy 880.I have a 100 yard range that I play on -I live in WV. and live in the woods.My .22 silver eagle has all the power I need to bring down almost anything – Getting to what I didn't explain well was I was wanting to add a .25 caliber to my collection.I have no interest in a springer rifle but thought the hatsan edge was a piston rifle. I should have done more research and explained better what the heck i'm wanting to know. Thank you all for your time as doing further research I found that my .22 is much better for 30 to 40 yard shots but it's still in my mind for a .25 – I hope you all understand – Thank You All — Eddie

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    ranedouglas
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    …..  the hatsan edge vortex is a gas ram / piston air rifle….anything that has vortex from hatsan means it uses that hpa strut instead of a spring to slam the piston behind the pellet.  …. but i think i killed more stuff with my 1980 daisy 880 than any other air rifle…..   i like my .22 benjamin steel eagle quite a bit also…  (maybe that's what you meant by 'silver eagle'.  there was an eva shockey .177 golden eagle before the black lightning.   i made my eva shockey into a .22.)     the .177 black lightning , not so much , so it has a .20 l.walther barrel on it now.    i havent been able to do well with .177 np2 rifles.   i also have a .25 trail xl barrel fitted into a np2 breech block, but velocity was only around 660 fps with 20 grains.  need 700 for 35 yard range.    i just this year decided to get a 1322 and power mod that with steel breech – got it black fri from walmart for about $40.  i had never done one of those before.    i like my .25 gamo big cat.  that the one .25 spring/piston gun i have now that the .25 hatsan model 85 vortek only shot 600 fps instead of 700 fps.   the general rule with .25 caliber is 25 yards range.  pcp's can greatly increase the range, but have een tight groups at 80 yards for a .25 cal uk-made tomahawk posted on the yellow forum.   ….man,  get yourelf a .25…..  it's something every airgunner should be able to try out.  i'didnt like it as much ten year ago.  cheers.  – paul.   

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