Has shooting PCP guns made you a better powder burner shooter

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    Bigragu
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    just curious, as me myself I haven’t shot my centerfire guns in a loooong while, and I’m getting the itch to start reloading again and heading out to the range. I have a strong feeling all the target shooting I’ve done in my front lawn with my PCP’s have made me a better shooter, but I’ll know better when the time comes. I’m just curious to the folks that still shoot centerfire on a pretty regular basis along with their PCP’s, if they’ve seen any improvement.

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    Rob_in_NC
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    I think so.  Trigger time is trigger time and breath control, muscle memory and trigger control is all the same.  Hold, of course, is not and I do find myself holding centerfires a bit lighter than normally and so have to make a conscious effort to hold them proper so not to get bit.

    I havent done a real comparison, but in my head it's made a difference and that's half the battle!

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    trooper618
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    I would say I have noticed an improvement. But the trigger on my powder burners are about 3-5lbs pull vs less than a pound with my airguns and I have better scopes on my airguns. But over all I would say so. 

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    Houli
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    No, not for this old kid! Takes me a couple of boxes of ammo to settle back into shooting powder burners, mainly because of the trigger differences and perhaps trying to get used too the thump again and not anticipating it. 

    It's all good though!

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    JimNM
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    +100% for me.  I pay a lot more attention to the whole shot cycle now that I have time with airguns.  

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    cmatera
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    Absolutely.  Practice makes perfect.  I can practice a lot more thanks to my PCP’s.

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    intenseaty22
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    I don't get to shoot my PBs very often. But, the last time I did, I was already addicted to AGs and I was shooting better than my friend that was helping me sight in the .308 at his permission. I was outshooting him, and I was very surprised as he is an AVID hunter. So, I would say yes. As stated, trigger time is trigger time. Particularly I find shooting springers to help a lot. 

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    Bigragu

    just curious, as me myself I haven’t shot my centerfire guns in a loooong while, and I’m getting the itch to start reloading again and heading out to the range. I have a strong feeling all the target shooting I’ve done in my front lawn with my PCP’s have made me a better shooter, but I’ll know better when the time comes. I’m just curious to the folks that still shoot centerfire on a pretty regular basis along with their PCP’s, if they’ve seen any improvement.

    I might have helped you but I think shooting Springers is probably better converting to powder burner's. I shoot both modern and break barrels often. They both have recoil although in a different way. While a PSP or pump air rifle have no recoil.

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    TiredRooster
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    Same basic fundamentals with shooting all of them. If you have good fundamentals with one, you'll have them with the other. I think more attention has to be paid to good fundamentals when shooting a springer accurately. But, good practice with any accurate air rifle I would say will help you with your powder rifles.

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    Vetmx
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    Yes and no. They helped with my follow through but made me a recoil and noise sensitive wimp.

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    Motorhead
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    Without a doubt …. Some FT friends & I shoot Belding grounds squirrels in the spring months by the 1000's getting much practice while shooting identically how we shoot Hunter Class Field Target …. Tripod seat and shooting Sticks !!

     

    EACH makes us better at shooting the other .. a TRUE WIN WIN !!

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    nomojo65
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    For me it’s the other way around! I used to shoot center fire in competition “Benchrest” and varmint shooting plus good old competition among friends!😏 Yes, bench shooting, but that’s all I do now anyway and I will say this all my 6mm ppc’s and Br’s have been sold to buy pcp’s! I now only have two varmint rigs left, it took a little bit to get used to a two stage trigger because my comp. guns had single stage Jewel 2oz triggers, I’ve adjusted 2 of my pcp triggers to single stage I left the Red Wolf and Raw triggers alone, but I have much more fun with the pcp’s because I can shoot in my back yard or even inside! My rest and bag’s I already had! So that was a plus also…

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    davelarson
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    It’s helped me a lot with all the trigger time spent with the pcp’s. I got to sight in my friends .338 mag. I used to own one so I knew what to expect from the recoil. I got three inside of an inch at 200 yards, and I really wanted to shoot further but each shot cost him about $5!! He probably would have let me shoot more except that I accidentally shot a three shot group at the wrong target board…he kept saying that I was missing but I could see a super good group ha ha. I hadn't shot a powder burner for at least 15 years and I think all the trigger time helped me focus.

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    Cherokee140
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    I would say yes as well….while I really think spring guns don't help you in shooting powder, I do think that things like CO2, PCP, MSP do help you.  I also think that unless you have every one of your powder rifles with fantastic triggers moving around on your air rifles to some that have less then fantastic triggers help you on powder guns that also have less then fantastic triggers.  Think surplus arms.

    I shoot and load for a great many "odd duck" firearms, 7.5 French, 6.5 Carcano, 6.5 and 7.7 Jap (and just in case the feel good police are out there Hornady labels their ammo 7.7 JAP so kiss off) These guns never had match triggers in them, and I really think that shooting air guns that have less then fantastic triggers has helped me shoot these better.  

    I can see how people would find PCP much more easy to shoot and after shooting those the skill to shoot a noisy recoil monster would leave you.  

    I can also see where you might start off a bit rusty if you have not touched a powder rifle in a while…I know after my surgery when any recoil was a no-no all I did was air guns….and I had real issues going back to powder….it is a skill that is easy to lose…..in action in it and just old age can take it away from you….however with quite a few PCP's coming in at the weight of a Garand holding them up can still be a struggle if you have medical issues or are getting up there in years.

     

    I personally love reloading, and really have been shooting more powder now then I have my air guns.  I see load development as not unlike finding out what pellet your specific gun likes.

     

    Get back to shooting your powder, after 20 rounds you will find it has made you better even if you do flinch a bit at first….it is still enjoyable.

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    You will find that really the air guns give all you really want out of the "shooting hobby" and the powder is good for that dirt bag that busts into your house.

    Whatever way you go still have fun with it….that is all that matters.

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    nomojo65
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    I wanted to add to my reply that the reason I got into the pcp’s (so heavily) in the first place was a medical condition and I couldn’t drive myself to matches so the airgun fit my needs plus now that I can drive again, I shoot competitively again only with pcp’s instead “it’s quite an addiction!

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    John_in_Ma
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    For me it helps with wind calls. Shooting a 12fpe .177 almost exclusively demands proper wind calling. This helps tremendously when shooting my .22rf at 100+yds.

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    steve123
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    I know for sure it does!

    I have a passion for both firearms shooting and airgun shooting and mostly in a match environment. I started as a boy with BB guns, and then to nice Diana springers, then into a 22 magnum as my first firearm, but shooting friends 22's also in my early teens. I was already a decent shot by then having put 10's of thousands of projectiles down barrels. As was mentioned before – trigger time.

    So in my first Metalic Silhouette match I placed high with a Browning T bolt at age 18. Did that for a couple of years. Never won a match but some of the best shooters in the country were in that club!

    Went through the marriage and kids thing and didn't shoot much in my early to late 20's…. Work, money, church, 3 kids, and short on time… Actually sold every gun I had to pay bills…

    Later on in life I got into IPSC and USPSA centerfire pistol shooting and started winning local matches frequently but I hit a wall in my ability level in how accurate I was in a world class setting. During this time I stumbled onto a deal on a Steyr LP5 PCP pistol, by practicing a lot with it I became a much more "precise" pistol shooter! At the American Handgunner World Shootoff competition I got 2nd in unclassified division my first year. Got bumped straight into B class and won that division two years later, then advanced to A division. I attribute a good portion of my success to shooting that PCP air pistol and learning just how accurate a pistol can be! BTW, even though this match was man against man on steel, accuracy was the determining factor – can't miss fast enough to win, right?! In other words the guy that hit all 7 steels usually won.

    Discovered Field Target air rifle with the AOA club somewhere in this time frame. The years went by and I won our State match more than a few times. While all this was going on I got into long range steel matches with centerfire tactical rifles. Long story short, after I won the AZPRC long range series two years in a row I was approached by one of the shooters with this question – Steve, what is the reason you are so good at this stuff, c'mon man tell me your secret??? My reply was "I practice with air rifles and have been doing so for many years". I'm not exaggerating, he actually thought I was kidding, LOL, if you could have seen the look on his face! I said nope, I'm totally serious!

    Anyway, forgive my long windedness. I guess my point is that because of the low recoil of PCP's, the low noise, the nice triggers, the follow through needed, etc, I can see "THE HOW's and WHY's" of a messed up shot, shots that I wouldn't even know that I had messed up with a firearm.

    I really was able to fine tune my marksmanship fundamentals because of PCP airguns and that enhanced my abilities with firearms!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Yes and I learned about wind and holding off because of Field Target which directly transferred into long range with a centerfire! 

     

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    Well dont want to step on any toes, but i feel springer is a better cross training tool. Pcp is just so dang easy, they allow the shooter to get away with things that other platforms wont.  Spring and powder make me a better pcp shooter, but i feel the training advantages of pcp are smaller than the others.  Just one idiots opinion,  no need to swell up like a poision toad if yours differs.

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    fuznut

    Well dont want to step on any toes, but i feel springer is a better cross training tool. Pcp is just so dang easy, they allow the shooter to get away with things that other platforms wont.  Spring and powder make me a better pcp shooter, but i feel the training advantages of pcp are smaller than the others.  Just one idiots opinion,  no need to swell up like a poision toad if yours differs.

    Whaaaat, why I oughta, like in the cartoons???!!! 😃

    Just kidding, everybody is welcome to their IMO's.

    For me springers are 50% – "hold it the same way every time", OR ELSE. 25% – all right, "what the heck did I do wrong this time", The other 25% –  which screw came loose now, or did the scope slide, or did the scope break, or did the spring break, or, or…. So I sold most of them because they became a trouble shooting experience rather than a marksmanship learning experience. A project, a challenge, that they do provide. My IMO

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    Quad82
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    Hasn’t helped me at all with the PBs. The 270, 12 gauge, .22, .17 M2, .17 HMR, .223, .41 mag, muzzle loaders and all the rest have sat in the safes for the last few years. I have no desire to even pull them out. I did send a few home with my son at Christmas. I still do a lot of reloading. But don’t shoot the PBS at all. I take that back. I have shot turkeys with the shotgun. Only because Michigan does not allow air rifles for turkey. I have also shot a few with the bow too. 

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