Groundhog vs Hatsan 95 .25

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    pandura
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    Hello all, first post here.  I've recently purchased my first airgun in adulthood.  We have a groundhog problem on our property but my state has "interesting" rules and I needed an airgun that was EITHER .177 caliber OR <700 FPS.  My options were very high velocity .177 or a sub 700fps larger caliber.  I also wanted it to be a budget first gun because, well I didn't want to spend a lot until I'm sure I like shooting air.  For this reason the Hatsan 95 .25 cal seemed to fit as they list their max velocities on the package based on lead pellets.

    So I put about 75 pellets through it and had it sighted in pretty well at 20yds before I was ready to take a shot at one of the groundhogs.  This morning I spotted a small one and from about 15yds dropped it easily.  It only moved about a foot and when I got closer I honestly couldn't tell where I shot it through the mess. 

    15 minutes later one of the big ones was in the same spot and I took the same shot.  It jumped into the air and took off running when it landed.  No blood to be found.  I had another 15yd shot at, I believe, the same one and it did exactly the same thing.

    My question… do I have enough gun and am I using the wrong pellets?  I'm using H&N FTT 0.25cal 20.06 gr. and starting to think I'm not getting penetration.  I've got experience with both long and short "powder burners" but the airgun world is new to me.  I've been reading here for a few weeks and blame all of this on you guys BTW… I was infected some might say.

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    wahoowad
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    Probably gutshooting it. Instead take a steady, well placed shot between the ear and eye and it will drop instantly. Otherwise they will run off. 
     

    what are your group sizes at 20 yards? 

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    ronmcc4
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    Shoot em in the ear. That’ll drop them pretty much right there. 

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    ALLAIRAFFAIRS
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    I agree with them! Shot placement is the key to hunting/pesting with airguns.

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    pandura
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    wahoowad

    Probably gutshooting it. Instead take a steady, well placed shot between the ear and eye and it will drop instantly. Otherwise they will run off. 
     

    what are your group sizes at 20 yards? 

    Good question and something I was going to make another post about because I'm pretty frustrated with my groupings.  I'm coming from powder and have read about how much different and more difficult it can be to shoot springers.  It sounds like I should be loosey goosey while holding it compared to what I'm used to so I try not to be too firm with anything.  My practice setup has me laying down on cardboard with a stack of 3 2×4's with a towel over it to rest the rifle on just in front of the trigger guard.  Left hand on trigger and stock pulling a little into shoulder.  Chin/cheek a bit snug on top/right of stock.  Right hand is fisted under stock for vertical adjustment and stability.  Slow pulling trigger on peak of exhale where sights come to rest on target when I fire.  Then when the trigger trips all hell breaks loose😃  

    Using the fixed sights I was getting this at 20 yds after about 60 pellets.

    Then even more frustrating, I put the scope on and shot this group.

    I can't imagine a gun could be that inaccurate at 20yds even without putting too many pellets through it so I'm assuming it is user error, and definitely frustrating.

    And while I'm at it… here is my first shot.  I should add that I generally aim between the ear and eye.

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    One more thing to add.  I'm pretty sure this gun was used before it was shipped to me.  The box was torn with scotch tape over the tears, the scope was definitely mounted and then removed.  I contacted the company and they said it was not a refurbished gun but if I wanted to return it I could.  They said I could shoot it a bit first so I've been trying.  In the back of my mind I'm wondering if the gun was a returned the first time for a reason but I still think everything is likely my fault.  I need to tame this thing!

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    ronmcc4
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    I'd consider returning it just to make you feel better about it. Its a little unnerving to get a "new" gun that has pretty obviously been used (and maybe abused? – who knows?). The patched up tears and obvious scope mount would make me suspicious about the rifle's history.

    Shooting springers is a bit different because of all of the stuff that goes on inside when you pull the trigger. And, unlike powder burners, the pellet is still in the barrel when a lot of that is happening. I'm not a fan but you might benefit from reading what Tom Gaylord on the Pyramyd Air Blog has to say about the "artillery hold" (assuming you haven't read that already which you may have). Lot's of people swear that hold makes a big difference.

    And not all springers are alike. My TX200 doesn't appear to be too hold sensitive but you don't want to squeeze it anywhere. I had a different TX200 several years ago that was a finicky as a 4 year old eating vegetables. I have a Sig Sauer ASP20 that doesn't seem to care how you hold it at all.  You gotta figure out how to hold each one.

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    biohazardman
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    Try resting the gun a couple of inches from the end of the forearm move it forward and back an inch at a time to see if groups improve. Spring guns are notorious for being hold sensitive and the more powerful usually the more hold sensitive.  Also at 650fps with a medium to light pellet you are probly looking at near 20 FPE from the gun so just enough for a groundhog, at close ranges, if you can place your shot correctly.   Check your hold and your pellets you need to be able to shoot a group half that size, even smaller would be better, before you try again.  Take the time to do some research on the net to find what pellets others are shooting well in the gun so you don't have waste so much money buying pellets that you will not use.  There are quite a few good reviews on the gun which would lead me to believe that it can shoot better. My Diana 45, 52, 54 will shoot about an inch or just over at 50 yards so half an inch at the range you are shooting.  I wish you luck in your quest for accuracy.

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    Thanks all.  I do think I'll exchange the gun for a new one just to get that out of my head.  I've only had the gun for two days so I am sure most if not all of the problem is my lack of consistency.  I'll try some of your suggestions and see if I can start to tighten them up.  I'm pretty surprised how sensitive it seems even after reading about how touchy they can be.  I mean, I can get the same shot group standing at the same range with any one of my Glocks, so this is humbling!

     

    They all showed up this Spring out of nowhere and have sen up to 8 at one time within 20 yds.  I hadn't actually planned on trying to shoot one yet but the first two times they literally ran out by the target while I was there already.  The little one knocked over the board I had been pinning the paper targets to when I shot him because he was right up against it.  I couldn't resist it😁  I crawled a bit closer when I saw them to give myself a closer shot too.

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    While I'm at it with the questions… Since I'm going to be returning the gun, am I right thinking that the .25 cal @ 650fps is a better choice for groundhogs than a higher fps .177?  Obviously both require shot placement but if I have an opportunity to change my choice in guns I thought I'd ask.

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    If it were me I’d go with at least a .22 for trying to kill anything as large as a groundhog. I know the Brits and maybe others too use 12 FPE airguns for hunting but that’s a matter of necessity and not choice I believe. So I’d opt for the .25, that’s a lot bigger wallop than the .177.

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    Update:  I watched a few more videos and decided that while I thought I was holding the gun gently that I'd try to really, really let go and focused on my trigger hand loosening up a bit.  I still need to lighten the trigger a little because it is forcing me to squeeze more than I'd like but I instantly saw an improvement.  30 pellets later the groups shrunk to about 1.5" at 20yds with an occasional flyer.  Groundhogs started coming out when I was about to wrap it up and I was feeling a lot more confident and relaxed so I gave it a shot.  (pun intended)

    First one at about 15 yds was standing while leaning against a tree.  I thought I missed because I saw the pellet go into the grass behind it and the groundhog didn't really move any besides dropping its head.  Since it was still there I was about to load another pellet but then saw it roll over to its side, twitch a few times and then stopped moving.  Needless to say the pellet had plenty of heat on it and what I thought was a miss was a pass-through and thing was lights out.

    Second one was about 20 yds standing from same tree and I missed completely I believe.

    Third one I was more like 10 yds from other said of same tree.  Again it looked like I missed with pellet hitting grass behind it.  It stood still, then started slowly walking away and I lost sight of it before loading a second pellet.  Turns out it only made it 10' and rolled over.

    Thanks for all those who responded.  As we thought, it was was all user error and while I still have a lot to improve before I'll be satisfied, the groupings are "useable".

    Here's the pic, I bet you can guess which one didn't move and which one made it 10'.

     

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    Looks like you're on the right track!

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