Which gun would you find the most versatile & reliable....& Please give me an idea as to why....Thanks guys!
Given the choice and cost not an Issue...... FX MK 3 or Daystate DeltaWolf
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So what is your Gut after doing research.....I know no hands on currently.............however your initial feelings are apparently to buy both.
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From the videos on precision that I have seen, there seems to be more validity from the M3. I have not seen too much on the actual shooting on the DW. The DW does have some cool electronics but I don't think the liner is as good as a superior. Also, the new accessories on the M3 seem to be matching the DW anyway.
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I'll tell you. I have had an FX Impact (Compact MKII PP .22) before. I never really shot it much, but it was solid and accurate. I have never owned an electronic gun or any other Daystate gun for that matter. The M3 I have ordered is in .25 600mm. The Daystate Delta Wolf is in .30 (600mm). I have been dealing with a couple very minor issues with my Delta Wolf that I just resolved the last of minutes ago. Actually, the last problem was not even the gun, just the battery would not take a full charge. AoA sent me a new battery and no more problem.
I considered selling the DW. Having never owned an electronic gun I thought maybe I was not cut out for one. What stopped me? The gun shoots stunningly. It makes me a better shooter than I am. I am not a young competitive champion shooter. I am 66 years old, I have multiple disabilities, and have have four eye surgeries. No gun was ever easier to get to shoot well for me. With almost no effort, I can regularly shoot 1/2" or slightly better at the 60 yard line of sight I have at my house using 50.15gr JSB pellets. I'm relatively sure it will be MOA out to 100+ yards.
The FX M3 is a greatly improved gun, with it's 720cc Plenum, dual regs, sliding trigger assembly,2 of 3 gauges being WIKA, 20 MOA rail, and near no tool adjustability. The base gun starts at $2,200. Yes, you can add things to it to get it closer to the Delta Wolf, and as you do, the cost difference will be less and less. The FX M3 will never be a Delta Wolf. It is a matter of mechanical vs. electronic. It's like comparing a manual lathe with adjusting it for lash in the thread adjusters, and tool wear vs. a CNC lathe. The trigger on the Delta Wolf is a joy to use. The sliding optic rail is great feature; with accessories, decent ergonomics can be had with both.
To me, this was the perfect time to get two top guns and run them side by side to decide. I got the M3 in .25 to avoid caliber redundancy. I plan to try to set the M3 up as a slug shooter from the get go. I'm planning on using 33-38gr Neilsen Specialty Ammo slugs, but will try Griffins and AVS too. If I can't get it to shoot slugs, I'll try pellets. If I favor one over the other, I will sell one of them. If I like them equally, in different ways, I'll keep both.
I considered selling the DW. Having never owned an electronic gun I thought maybe I was not cut out for one. What stopped me? The gun shoots stunningly. It makes me a better shooter than I am. I am not a young competitive champion shooter. I am 66 years old, I have multiple disabilities, and have have four eye surgeries. No gun was ever easier to get to shoot well for me. With almost no effort, I can regularly shoot 1/2" or slightly better at the 60 yard line of sight I have at my house using 50.15gr JSB pellets. I'm relatively sure it will be MOA out to 100+ yards.
The FX M3 is a greatly improved gun, with it's 720cc Plenum, dual regs, sliding trigger assembly,2 of 3 gauges being WIKA, 20 MOA rail, and near no tool adjustability. The base gun starts at $2,200. Yes, you can add things to it to get it closer to the Delta Wolf, and as you do, the cost difference will be less and less. The FX M3 will never be a Delta Wolf. It is a matter of mechanical vs. electronic. It's like comparing a manual lathe with adjusting it for lash in the thread adjusters, and tool wear vs. a CNC lathe. The trigger on the Delta Wolf is a joy to use. The sliding optic rail is great feature; with accessories, decent ergonomics can be had with both.
To me, this was the perfect time to get two top guns and run them side by side to decide. I got the M3 in .25 to avoid caliber redundancy. I plan to try to set the M3 up as a slug shooter from the get go. I'm planning on using 33-38gr Neilsen Specialty Ammo slugs, but will try Griffins and AVS too. If I can't get it to shoot slugs, I'll try pellets. If I favor one over the other, I will sell one of them. If I like them equally, in different ways, I'll keep both.
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Post money isn't a issue and then ask folks which gun to choose is like tell your wife you are faithful and bring home another girl. Lol.
If money isn't a issue, I'd go for both.
If money isn't a issue, I'd go for both.
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I'd like to have both and probably will get one of each when the "rush" has passed. Congratulations on yours. I've still got about 4 years to go to catch up to you so they should be in stock by then
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Carl, I'm waiting to get your comparison on these two rifles as well. If I hadn't just pushed out $3k from my slush fund yesterday, I would've bought the 0.25 DW that Rafael posted in the Classifieds this morning. In the end, I held off on the DW because the MkII's I already had were such incredible shooters that I didn't see how spending $3.4k on the DW would make any noticeable improvement on accuracy. Then my M3 showed up and the new features on the M3 further improved on the MkII experience so I'm pretty content with my lineup for now . . . unless your upcoming write-up gives me some really compelling reason(s) to pick up the DW too!
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I'd like to have both and probably will get one of each when the "rush" has passed. Congratulations on yours. I've still got about 4 years to go to catch up to you so they should be in stock by then.
Bringing the GF home would certainly cause money issues. But then again that might help the OP in his decision because he couldn't afford both.
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I'm too old fashioned. Having to charge my gun's battery before going out just doesn't sound right (but that's me!)
On a philosophical front -
For me, having been in computers and other electronics for 40 years, depending on a circuit board just doesn't make sense when a mechanical counterpart that works well exists. To me shooting is a mechanical thing. not to say pushing a button to fire a rifle can't help my mechanics (the trigger is literally a button pushing device on electronic triggers), but I've just never been able to rely on a circuit board to drive my gun.
Having laid my prejudices bare, you know which I'd buy, as I just bought a new Impact (#2) in a new caliber. If I were to buy another, it'd be the Impact. Not to mention the whizbang things like changing the barrel / caliber if I want, and other upgradable items.
I've updated my first Impact, a Gen 1, with a Power Plenum and the new Superior Barrel / liner system. So, it's roughly the equivalent of a MKII. I don't know if Daystate is upgradable, but I like the thought of upgrading rather than selling and buying new. For me, these are long term purchases.
On a philosophical front -
For me, having been in computers and other electronics for 40 years, depending on a circuit board just doesn't make sense when a mechanical counterpart that works well exists. To me shooting is a mechanical thing. not to say pushing a button to fire a rifle can't help my mechanics (the trigger is literally a button pushing device on electronic triggers), but I've just never been able to rely on a circuit board to drive my gun.
Having laid my prejudices bare, you know which I'd buy, as I just bought a new Impact (#2) in a new caliber. If I were to buy another, it'd be the Impact. Not to mention the whizbang things like changing the barrel / caliber if I want, and other upgradable items.
I've updated my first Impact, a Gen 1, with a Power Plenum and the new Superior Barrel / liner system. So, it's roughly the equivalent of a MKII. I don't know if Daystate is upgradable, but I like the thought of upgrading rather than selling and buying new. For me, these are long term purchases.
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I am a retired electronics tech. Every job I went on, no matter the make or model, or cost, had issues. I am sticking with the M3 for my choice here. The batteries themselves will not last.
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It stands to reason, that as an electronics tech, you have seen more issues with electronic stuff than the average person would see in 5 lifetimes. If history repeats itself, the electronics are the way of the future, although we may not be there yet. That remains to be seen. I doubt that once a CNC machine is learned, anyone who started out on a manual lathe or milling machine would go back to it unless they had to. I have an electric 4 wheeler (Polaris Ranger EV Li Ion) runs great (5 years so far). They quit making it, mainly because of the cost (24K), and it was competing with its same model using wet cell batteries. I'm thinking both, unless I see something when I receive my M3 from Ken Hicks that changes my mind.
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Could be. My Pulsar HP has been happily shooting along on the original batteries for approaching a year now. And they can be easily replaced if they don't "last".
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Hmmmmmmm? so it is gett'n down here where ...IMO.........Air guns will always use some type of "0" rings to seal air! This being a given, and the Achilles heal / Maintenance / repair potential.......
* ~ * ~ I say & believe with today's machining, even triggers are getting so very close to electronic release....& although other things can be implemented in the electronics to be CQQL I guess?? The added stress of electronics (one more variable that can go wrong) & more importantly Jus' the added stress of thinking Oh did I charge my battery????
I simply Do-Not see the advantage outweighing the two in electronics. Additionally it is my feeling that the New M3 is simply Much More of an UPGRADE-ABLE platform
M3 3 for me!
* ~ * ~ I say & believe with today's machining, even triggers are getting so very close to electronic release....& although other things can be implemented in the electronics to be CQQL I guess?? The added stress of electronics (one more variable that can go wrong) & more importantly Jus' the added stress of thinking Oh did I charge my battery????
I simply Do-Not see the advantage outweighing the two in electronics. Additionally it is my feeling that the New M3 is simply Much More of an UPGRADE-ABLE platform
M3 3 for me!
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I have an Impact X and got a Delta Wolf a few months back. Both are fun to shoot and, for me, have had similar accuracy out to 80 yards. The DW’s built in chronograph makes it very easy to experiment which is where I get a lot of pleasure out of this hobby. I own the FX Radar and Lab Radar and Its been great to not have to set them up with the DW. The evolution of the Impact, while impressive, hasn’t yet added anything that looks like it would make it more fun to shoot. So if I could only keep one it would be the DW.
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2 very different guns as everyone stated.
Impact is like manual/stick shift car and DW is like the Tesla. Tesla is revolutionary and outside 4 wheels not a whole lot in common with the manual car. The electronics are simply astonishing, it even drives for you, it will get you to your destination for you practically. IMHO there is NOT a better commuter car and for run around the town, it is even great to take on long trips!!!! BUT if I want to driving for the fun or not going anywhere in particular then I 100% would prefer the manual cars. I want to turn the knobs, shift gears, turn the steering wheel....not just sit there and it drives for me.
as much as DW is amazing at hat it does but it does too much for someone like to who like manual stuff when it comes to fun. I sit on a computer and push buttons all day so don’t need that in a hobby, need time to get away from computers in fact!
Impact is like manual/stick shift car and DW is like the Tesla. Tesla is revolutionary and outside 4 wheels not a whole lot in common with the manual car. The electronics are simply astonishing, it even drives for you, it will get you to your destination for you practically. IMHO there is NOT a better commuter car and for run around the town, it is even great to take on long trips!!!! BUT if I want to driving for the fun or not going anywhere in particular then I 100% would prefer the manual cars. I want to turn the knobs, shift gears, turn the steering wheel....not just sit there and it drives for me.
as much as DW is amazing at hat it does but it does too much for someone like to who like manual stuff when it comes to fun. I sit on a computer and push buttons all day so don’t need that in a hobby, need time to get away from computers in fact!
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Speaking of which, we recently got this P100D projectile and it has really put a dent into my airgun funds. But everything you said about it is true . . . and so much more. Best and funnest car we've ever owned:
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Reliance on computers make fall even planes costing many millions of dollars.
If you do not mind to have the cost of the delta wolf as an act of faith, then it does not matter which one you choose.
If you do not mind to have the cost of the delta wolf as an act of faith, then it does not matter which one you choose.
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Hmmmmmmmmmm Tesla above or Lexus?????? I'm goin Lexas all day!... The Tesla or as put above "project"------ile is sorta Goochi...However the Lexas LC 500 Coupe w/ naturally aspirated V8 is sheer Quality! The sound alone Let alone the Beautiful lines is Much More Sexy! Both when loaded out are approaching 100K+
FX = Lexus
Tesla = DW
In the end which one is Less Headache...It's your money!
FX = Lexus
Tesla = DW
In the end which one is Less Headache...It's your money!
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