FX Stackable Moderators

Watch Ted's review on the Wildcat/Bobcat from his facbook page. He recommended the best bang for the bucks was 3. 

I was just in AOA and looked at them. The first one is different which connects to the rifle. Obviously they then connect to each other. I am uncertain if you can only use the first one as a moderator. I believe it is around $100 for 3 segments. It has the capability of going to 5 segments. Considering the cost I would start with 3. It is difficult to call into AOA but they do answer your e-mail.
Best of luck,

Doc

The first one is just for threading/attachment. The rest are baffled. I Had to buy them as a whole kit. only needed two. three made no difference except in length. They definitely work but not as good as a Clague or Huggett.

Does anyone know if these stackable moderators will work on the FX Verminator MK2. I have this rifle on order and the $150 for a shroud extension or $225 for the Huggett is just too much extra for me to spend. I read that the end cap for the Verminator is threaded M20. Thanks Bill

Shroud extension is just a hollow tube with an end cap and the stackable are like 1inch sections that screw together. They are about the same price 125-150 and in my opinion sound about the same length for length. I think each section is 25 each so you get a front and back adapter and 4 baffle sectons for 150. Get a Clagues mod and you will love it.

 My .25 mk2 bobcat came with 3 baffles. From the breach to the barrel: First baffle is open, second baffle (mid) looks to be designed to moderate sound, and third baffle(end cap) also looks like it would help with sound moderation. The 3 baffle extensions are additional middle sections to increase the effectiveness of the moderator. I got 3 extra baffles but I don’t hear much difference from 6 total vs the stock 3 pieces that came with the rifle. I also didn’t like the additional length with 6 baffles and it kind of defeated the purpose of having a bullpup/carbine air rifle. IMO

I swear I'm not trolling or trying to ruffle any feathers, just looking for an answer. How are these legal? I've searched extensively and I can't get a simple straight forward answer, but it seems to me that every air gun moderator, LCD, or whatever you want to call them technically meet the definition of an "illegal" device; they are not permanently mounted, they do reduce noise, and they could be adapted to a firearm. Is there some clearly published law that defines "legal" criteria or use of these devices on air guns, or are we just all just tiptoeing around the subject and not speaking of it, in hopes that big brother just won't look that closely. Again, I'm not looking for an extensive debate on the subject, opinion and conjecture has been well covered everywhere the subject comes up, I'd just like to get a simple, clear answer. It seem s that everyone just turns a blind eye, but just because the law isn't enforced, doesn't mean it can't be enforced, and I'm not trying to get hemmed up over a pellet gun.Thanks! Holler.

These stack on units are legal because they are extensions to a shrouded barrel. They also cannot be fitted onto a firearm... Easily anyway, and even if they were, they would likely distegrate due to the substantially higher operating pressure that powder burners work at. 

Do you have a link to the legal reference that supports that answer? The degree of difficulty to "adapt" to a firearm is not relevant, basically any of these devices can be adapted to any other gun because they are not legitimately, "permanently" installed, that includes the barrel shroud, which is nothing more than a cleverly designed long silencer. Its possible they may be damaged if used on a firearm, maybe not, but it doesn't matter, if it can be adapted and if it only works 1 time and lowers noise by 1 db, its illegal, as I understand it.

I know you want a legal reference in order for you to sleep better, but think of this. There are numerous dealers selling air rifles. Do you think for one moment they would risk closing their doors due to the sale of a few LDC's or baffles? Not to insult your intelligence but you have to be smarter than that!. I could only imagine there are millions of dollars at stake, also not to mention the potential jail time if something nefarious was going on. These are not some guy making them in his basement trying to eek out an existence. These are full-fledged companies who report to the IRS. Again, I don't have the documentation you so desperately desire, but try to look past the LDC and look at the facts.

Keith.

Sorry that my inquiry read with a tone of desperation, that surely wasn't my intent; I'm not paranoid and I'm not really losing any sleep over the subject or taking any drastic action to insulate myself from my 3 "moderated" air guns, I was just hoping to spark some adult conversation about a widely unacknowledged but rather critical topic, I assumed that this air gun specific community might be able to provide a qualified answer. I likely meet the criteria of at least average intelligence, and that's exactly why I don't accept opinion or anecdotal info as undisputable fact regarding a subject that has the potential to be deemed a felony offense accompanied by a prison sentence. The fact that nobody has responded with anything of substance helps to illustrate my concern that most folks are operating on the assumption that its all good, or at least nothing to worry about. If its such a simple cut and dried case because manufacturers make them and dealers sell them everyday, and they wouldn't risk millions of dollars, lawsuits and jail time, then the answer should be common knowledge and it should be equally simple to provide a link to the supporting information. I find it rather intriguing that there is such a significant number of people who own these air guns, but they have no idea about the legal ramifications of the "silencer" attached to the end of it.

OP, 2 stack-ons work decent on a .25 wildcat, sorry I can't explain the science behind it.

Yep the infamous Crooker case, one of the first things that populated when I started searching the subject. I don't speak attorney, so I'm not seeing a definitive answer in there anywhere. It seems the consensus is to just not discuss it and risk drawing attention that could to lead to stricter regulation, meanwhile the definitions haven't changed and they are still technically illegal, just not enforced, for now. I won't foul the passive ignorance plan, I'll refrain from discussing it any further, I don't want to lose mine either, thanks for the input.

Well here is a nifty idea. How about calling your local law enforcement branch and talking to them about it.

I'll give you an example. I had heard that here in Florida, as long as you had a "decent" backstop, you can shoot any type of gun on your property. And I'm not just talking air guns. So I talked with my local law enforcement, some of the guys even live in my neighbourhood, and got my answer. Yes you can shoot whatever you like on your own property. And it can even be in the middle of town.

So if you are that concerned about it, please talk with your local law enforcement. I'm sure they can point you in the right direction.

Keith.

Unlike you, I am not worried one bit.

Keith.

sgtskinny I have had the ruling looked at by attorneys and have been told by them that the ruling is quite clear, silencers on air guns are legal. I have also had my own air guns with silencers attached checked by my local Sheriffs department and they also told me they are totally legal for me to make, sell and use. I have also made air gun silencers/moderators for several members of law enforcement, a few attorneys and a deputy police chief. I do not think any of these people would risk their careers and pensions using something that you claim is illegal. The fact of the matter is, the courts overturned a ruling and freed someone who was treading on very dangerous ground, he had even researched how to make adapters to use them on fire arms, but even with that said they still could not do anything to him because proving intent is very difficult and just because someone researches something does not mean they intend to build it or use it. If anyone should have been jailed for what he was doing it was the person named in the ruling, the fact that he was released shows how hard it would be for the Alphabet org to prosecute someone for using a silencer on an air rifle. But as I tell my customers, you can never be 100% certain that some individual will not try and make a name for himself, none of us want to be a test case, but until the law gets changed and they are made illegal I will continue to make them and use them on air guns,Neil.

I do not know where you get they are technically illegal from, the courts have ruled them legal so they are technically legal, not illegal.

In every application, you will need one section that connects the moderator to the gun; one section that is at the termination end at the muzzle; one or two baffle sections which are placed in between the two sections already mentioned. You can add more baffle sections, but as in other things, more does not always equate to better. My advice is not to exceed four sections in total. A beginning, an end, and two internal baffles. Each section now sells for $25.00, so four sections will cost $100.00. That will seem rather a cheap moderator as moderators are priced, but it will be effective for most uses, and not break the bank. When you get and fabricate these sections into a moderator, you will probably think that what you are getting is flimsy and cheap looking, but it should work for you if you give it a chance. One thing to remember is that these sections come in different sizes, so make sure you order the correct series of sections for your particular caliber.