FX Royale 400 in .22 pellet inconsistency problems???? Updated with pics.

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I'm trying both JSB 15.89 and 18.13. AOA shipped tested with 15.89. But Ted had good results with 18.13. I can shoot groups inside a half inch one time. Then move to another target at the same yardage (27) and can hardly hold inside one inch with both. Do I need to adjust the power? Im having hell trying to zero my scope with either one.
After cleaning the barrel. ( I knew that ). And inspecting the pellets. 27 yards. JSB 15.89's. And lowered the pressure setting to number 2.


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What are you using for a shooting bench? Is it solid, are you shooting off bags, a bipod or BR rest, when was the last time the barrel was cleaned, are you shouldering the rifle consistently, is your trigger release also consistent, when you move to the next target is your shooting position comfortable, was there a slight breeze that went unnoticed, are the elevation and windage adjustments in the scope you are using repeatable and reliable, as Michael has suggested it could be a parallax error you are not noticing when moving to the next target. There could be a lot of other reasons as to why you cannot reproduce that magical 1/2 inch group so try to sort out some of the variables and then if you are not getting the expected results, have a close look at the pellets.
 
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"Bench with bipod and bag. Probably been a little while since I cleaned the barrel. No breeze. The next target is on the same sheet of paper, no distance involved here. Will check the pellets more closely."What are you using for a shooting bench? Is it solid, are you shooting off bags, a bipod or BR rest, when was the last time the barrel was cleaned, are you shouldering the rifle consistently, is your trigger release also consistent, when you move to the next target is your shooting position comfortable, was there a slight breeze that went unnoticed, are the elevation and windage adjustments in the scope you are using repeatable and reliable, as Michael has suggested it could be a parallax error you are not noticing when moving to the next target. There could be a lot of other reasons as to why you cannot reproduce that magical 1/2 inch group so try to sort out some of the variables and then if you are not getting the expected results, have a close look at the pellets.
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"No. Synthetic model. I cant find anything loose that would cause that. Any advice?"


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Hello Todd. I was just out shooting my new RAW hm1000x .25 and have just made a discovery. I to have been having problems similar to yours. I have been mostly disappointed with my groups at 50 yards. When I first got the gun I got an occasional 3/8" or 1/2"group but as I have been getting used to it I settled in to a routine that was not really what the gun liked. I shoot off a 3 legged bench that is pretty sturdy. I use a front bench rest and rear bag and thought that it was a very solid set up and I should be getting good results. But I was getting 7/8" to 1 1/4" groups. I thought maybe it was pellets so I tried 5 different kinds. I tried inspecting and sorting by head size. Tried a different scope. No luck. Then just today I tried changing the way I support the gun on the rest and that made all the difference. I was resting the front of the gun on the bottle. It fits perfectly in the saddle of the rest. But the gun apparently does not like that! I moved the rest back behind the bi-pod mount on the wood stock close to the center of gravity of the gun and suddenly I'm getting 5/16" 3/8" and 1/2" groups. (That's with JSB king 25 gr). Just from a slight change in technique. Now the gun is shooting like I always hoped it would. Experiment some more and you just might be pleasantly surprised. Good luck.
 
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I am going to go out on a limb here, the targets you have posted above, is the second one to the right of the first target? I have an idea that if you are shooting off a bipod that is fixed with no ability to pan then when you have moved to the next target the legs of the bipod are now twisting slightly so when the shot is released the rifle may be wanting to return to the firing position of the first target. Like 30cal has said it could be a matter of changing your method for group shooting, its the little things that can make a big difference.
 
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Todd,

Jimmy (aka Camp Fussell) had a very slight movement at the front of his fore stock. True it was a wood stock and subject to some movement or even shrinkage after manufacture from drying. That is what I figured was his problem

I fixed his POI shifting by simply putting two strips of masking tape on each side and reseating the gun in the stock. Problem solved. No more lateral movement...

I have a Synthetic Royale 400 in .22 also. I would still ck that spacing. Is yours a carbon fiber bottle like mine or tank? Try moving the tank/bottle gently side to side while holding the stock to see if there is any play what so ever. Also make sure the stock bolt to the gun is tight

Check it over the Chrony for speed and consistency fluctuations. I assume it is a regulated FX ......
 
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"strikefast"Todd,

Jimmy (aka Camp Fussell) had a very slight movement at the front of his fore stock. True it was a wood stock and subject to some movement or even shrinkage after manufacture from drying. That is what I figured was his problem

I fixed his POI shifting by simply putting two strips of masking tape on each side and reseating the gun in the stock. Problem solved. No more lateral movement...

I have a Synthetic Royale 400 in .22 also. I would still ck that spacing. Is yours a carbon fiber bottle like mine or tank? Try moving the tank/bottle gently side to side while holding the stock to see if there is any play what so ever. Also make sure the stock bolt to the gun is tight

Check it over the Chrony for speed and consistency fluctuations. I assume it is a regulated FX ......

I have the carbon fiber bottle. No play whatsoever from side to side. The stock bolt was a little loose, I tightened it.

Also check the scope cant, was out a little. I adjusted a little, seems things are getting better. I have bubble levels on the way.

Will update as time allows.

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Glad to hear it is getting better Todd

That stock bolt can account for POI change. But I would expect it would be more apt to throw the pellets into a wider group about all the time. You said it would be tight then open after you adjusted to another target.

My Royal does not shoot the lighter pellets that well. It prefers the 18.1 JSBs and Air Arms 18.s best. .22 Kodiaks are fine too except the POI drops a bit for the wgt as it should.

Tell you what I do... I take a blank pc of white cardboard and put 3/4" stick on dots in a series. Then I fill up and shoot 5 pellets at al least 4-5 dots to see the consistency of the groups for 1 pellet wgt/ manufacture. It will let you know what is happening group to group.

Hope it gets better for you....Paul
 
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Guys,

Due to work and the crazy weather here in north Ala. I haven't as much time as I wanted to really work on it as I would have liked.
But I did get a little while yesterday. Pretty much the same issues. Maybe even worse. Didn't have time to get pics of the shots. Maybe anywhere from .5 up to 1.25 groups at 30 yards. I have checked the bolt. There is no play when trying to "wiggle" the carbon fiber bottle. I have not tried it without the bipod. Maybe a bag in front and rear?
I may be just the shooter. I have checked the scope cant and adjusted. (It was off a little). I tried both JSB 18.1 and 15.89. Same results.
I guess ill just keep trying. :)
 
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Good, try getting a good solid bag like a Caldwell Tack Driver bag. Amazon sells them filled. Mine is very full and offers a serious rest.

Don't rest it on the bottle but on the forend. Then get a sand bag for the rear. Using, that solid rest, you may see a difference. Also ck your scope with the box drill. Get the scope crosshairs on a dot and shoot three pellets. Then click up 10 clicks and shoot at the same dot as you did for the first 3 pellets. Fire 3 pellets and then click left 10 clicks. Shoot again keeping centered on the original dot each time. Then 10 clicks down. Repeat the shots. Then click right 10 clicks and fire again. Your pellets hole groups should make a box on the paper and hopefully the POI after all the clicking should be close to the original.
Putting the gun in a gun vise is better if you have one. Just take you time and aim carefully and your result should be good. If your scope is the issue. it will show up with the pois of the box way off...Good luck and post your results when you get them......
 
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