I researched and found that the impact trigger 2nd stage is a tad heavy and not very adjustable. I found this to be true with my new impact X. However i realized that adjusting the trigger so it becomes a single stage trigger really lightens the trigger up. And on top of that it breaks very cleanly and crisp. Anyone else have a single stage set up on their Impact?
FX Impact Trigger, single stage
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Ime quite the opposite, it is very adjustable
Second stage can be very light
https://youtu.be/ExDFm9Hqur0
Second stage can be very light
https://youtu.be/ExDFm9Hqur0
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I'm not sure if it's the same trigger, but I have my Crown set up as single stage, and really like it. It breaks clean at about 8 ounces. After a lot of time spent adjusting it as two-stage, I just could not get a setting that satisfied me. When it got near a let off weight that was right, the first stage would get sticky. So, I gave up on a two-stage adjustment and have been pleased with it as single stage. I've had similar issues with a lot of so-called two stage triggers that, really, are not. IMO, in situations where either design or cost constraints do not allow for a good, true two-stage trigger, the makers would do better to make a good single stage trigger with a spring adjustment for pull weight. If you want a heavier release weight, most of these triggers work okay, and accurately mimic the feel of a real, two-stage trigger.
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Actually you can't really make the impact trigger light. There is no adjustment to make the trigger light. You can shorten or lengthen first stage. Or make it only 1 stage. The other adjustment is to get rid on the 2nd stage creep. And last adjustment is safety. If you put on safe and still able to fire the gun then you need to adjust the last screw. I watch the video and there is no adjustment to make the trigger lighter
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I’ve adjusted mine both ways. I ended up cutting the spring in half and polishing all contacting surfaces and have 2 stages this did improve it a little.
As a single stage you do need to loctite all the adjustment screws and be a little careful!
It is actually just 1 long stage with a little spring tension before the hammer drops It’s fine as long as you haven’t got use to a really good trigger Then it’s crap
As a single stage you do need to loctite all the adjustment screws and be a little careful!
It is actually just 1 long stage with a little spring tension before the hammer drops It’s fine as long as you haven’t got use to a really good trigger Then it’s crap
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You are absolutely right, my bad! Now I know for sure, thanks!
Maybe this video can help a bit more, is what airsupply made (I think)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnvZtiZ3rio
I did adjust my trigger once only, since it was too sensitive, after first stage almost went off right away without pressure, that is why I thought that there was a hard/light adjustment for the second stage.
Maybe trying different springs?
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The issue I have with the Crown trigger (which I think is the same), and numerous other air rifle triggers, the adjustment called the "second stage adjustment", is not a spring compression adjustment as found on many adjustable triggers. It is actually a sear engagement adjustment which, to an extent will increase or decrease the weight, but only by allowing a deeper or finer engagement. So, it's use is rather limited. On some Daystate rifles it is actually referred to as a weight adjustment, but it affects weight only in this indirect manner. By having mine set up as single stage, and in order to obtain a weight I wanted, I had to adjust this engagement very shallow, which is something always on my mind as a safety issue. But to get it heavier, I have to either go back to a heavier two-stage setting, or introduce some creep in the single stage setup. If I were banging around the woods with it, I would do one or the other in the interest of safety.
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If the second stage can be made lighter without affecting sear engagement, then I'm getting my triggers confused, and I apologize for the misinformation.
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Are you referring to the spring that is contained within the second stage adjustment housing at the rear of the trigger plate?
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Yes but according to what i've seen out there. That spring re-engages 1st stage back to original position. Too light of a spring will not allow the 1st stage to reset if shot is not taken
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The FX Impact/Crown trigger is not a true match grade 2-stage trigger. Once you have experienced a true match grade 2-stage trigger, you will find the FX Impact/Crown triggers lacking in many aspects. The Timney Calvin Elite trigger on my W.A.R Flex, or the Geissele trigger on my Daniel Defense DDM4 Pro makes deficiency in the FX triggers obvious.
You can try to replicate a 2-stage trigger "feel" with the Impact/Crown(and yes,I have wasted countless hours trying with my Impact X), but it will never feel and break like a Timney or Geissele true match-grade triggers.
You can try to replicate a 2-stage trigger "feel" with the Impact/Crown(and yes,I have wasted countless hours trying with my Impact X), but it will never feel and break like a Timney or Geissele true match-grade triggers.
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Additionally, I am not sure it is stated or mentioned by FX in their manual, but you should always adjust your trigger with the power wheel at MAX setting. This results in maximum tension on the sear engagement when you are making adjustments and checking for safety function. If you adjust your trigger pull/break at the Min power wheel setting, and try to use the exact setting at a higher power wheel setting, bad things can happen. The sear can disengage unexpectedly, or the safety may not work at different power setting - don't ask me how I know. From my experience, ALWAYS adjust the trigger at MAX hammer spring tension that you will ever use.
The reason why this is relevant here is that, if you try to replicate/modify your FX trigger into a match grade trigger feel, where it is not designed to do, you run serious safety risks. My advise is to don't over lighten the FX trigger - it is not designed to work like the true 2-stage match grade triggers out there.
The reason why this is relevant here is that, if you try to replicate/modify your FX trigger into a match grade trigger feel, where it is not designed to do, you run serious safety risks. My advise is to don't over lighten the FX trigger - it is not designed to work like the true 2-stage match grade triggers out there.
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I like single stage triggers, and that is how I have my Crown set up. It breaks at about 7 ounces. I had it as low as 3 oz but that wasn't quite safe, so I bumped it up to 4 oz and after shooting for a while that became unsafe, so now it is at 7 oz.
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I experienced similar. I had tried hard as hell to replicate the awesome Timney trigger on my W.A.R Flex with my FX Impact X. Had it down to maybe 80% of where i like it to be compared to my Flex. After shooting a while, the second stage suddenly disappeared on me, which scared me. I then increased the second stage a little which made it safer. Then I made the mistake of increasing hammer spring tension without rechecking trigger and safety function - and just like that, the trigger became unpredictable and the safety didn't work, all because i increased the hammer tension. Almost pissed my pants - and no, I am not a newbie with no experience adjusting triggers.
Since then, I have brought it back up to almost factory settings, as adjusted by AOA when i requested them to make it as light as possible when i bought it....
Lesson learnt - don't try to jam a square peg into a round hole.
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My Crown on single stage at around 7-8 ounces has been reliable and safe. By default, it was on maximum spring tension, just because I always have it on that position when I remove the power wheel, so maybe I luckily dodged a mistake. The only glitch I ever experience with mine, occasionally, if I am not deliberate in cocking the lever, it will not catch the sear and cock. By the time I feel it, I have already at least partially loaded a pellet, so I go ahead and insert it fully. It's not a safety issue, I just have to remove the magazine and shoot the pellet. But, it has never unintentionally discharged, and I have given it some pretty robust bump tests.
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On the Impact with a single stage you are relying on the cocking block and pin to bring the hammer back to exactly the same position. It needs to engage the shear exactly the same to the fraction of a mm to give you the consistency in trigger feel and safety.
The problem is the engaging face of the hammer and the pin aren’t perfect. The pin can wear/bend. Especially if you make the mistake of accidentally pulling the trigger without pushing the cocking lever fully home after cocking. It gets a wack and there goes your trigger adjustment. The hammer can also get a tiny ding. It’s not really designed to work that way.
The problem is the engaging face of the hammer and the pin aren’t perfect. The pin can wear/bend. Especially if you make the mistake of accidentally pulling the trigger without pushing the cocking lever fully home after cocking. It gets a wack and there goes your trigger adjustment. The hammer can also get a tiny ding. It’s not really designed to work that way.
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I know a couple of guys that I trust 100% with there knowledge on FX's that going with a single stage set up very light is not a good idea. Mostly due to the safety aspect. I swapped out the trigger spring on my Crown to a lighter and shorter ball point pin spring which made the first stage lighter which is what I was looking for and at the same time allowed me to lower the second stage tension. The only draw back if you think it really is one is that the first stage does not return to it's original position if you decide not to shoot. You can re-cock the hammer though and reset it to its home position if desired.
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Trigger setup is an individual preference, so any safe adjustment that suits your needs is fine. The issue I have with setting up this trigger in the manner described, you lose the most fundamental purpose of a two-stage trigger. A proper two-stage trigger should allocate the total let off pressure to each stage, as desired by the shooter. If you lighten the pull weight in this FX trigger, the first stage either gets mushy, or practically goes away. Basically, this trigger suffers the same issues as most false two-stage triggers. Since it is not really a two stage trigger, it can feel like one in only a very narrow range of adjustment.
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