FX Impact: first two-three shots are slower

Hi Folks,

I just recently became a new FX Impact .25 owner (purchased from Airguns of Arizona).
However, I've noticed a couple distributing behaviors.
For all my tests I used sorted JSB King and JSB King heavy pellets with almost the same weight +/- 0.05 grain. Pellets loaded manually, no magazine used.

Slow speed
If leave this rifle for couple hours fully charged, not cocked, it shoots around 1-2 MOA lower. Test distance is around 17 yards. I immediately suspected it may have something to do with the pellet speed, so I used chrony to check it. After some idle period first shot is around 60-70 FPS slower. Instead of ~800fps with JSB King on min settings, I may get 730-750fps with first shot. With the second shot it goes to 770-780 and then it stabilizes around ~800 +/- 4 fps.

Clipping pellets
If I add even a single extra ring baffle to the silencer, pellets start clipping throwing accuracy out of the window, especially JSB King Heavy. Power setting doesn't help with that.

Is it an expected behavior? Sometimes, I need to make a quick single shot (at wasp), I simply don't know where pellet will go to, I almost always miss the target with the first one-two shots due to very small target. It believe it should not be the case with almost $2K airgun.

Thanks.
 
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My impact does not exhibit that behavior at all. I can count on the first shot going where I aim. Having said that, I got my gun used.

It seems like the regulator is sluggish and is not passing enough air into the plenum for the first shots, but as it is exercised becomes stable. I would hope this is not a feature of a new gun that will eventually "wear in". I would definitely call AOA on this.
 
You have a creeping regulator. I just returned my .25 Impact to AOA and this was one of my concerns. My regulator gauge read 150 when new. Now reads 170-175. It really sucks when you can't depend on that first shot. It takes more hammer force to open valve with higher pressure behind it. That is why velocity is lower until regulator pressure comes down to what hammer spring was tuned to.
 
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Thank you for your responses folks! That helps.
It definitely looks like a regulator problem. I just looked at guage, fired a pellet, looked again. The pressure read was slightly lower, but by not much. Just 2-3 bars if I estimate it correctly. It also can explain that weird aim point shift after around 500 shots I had several weeks ago at shooting range. I initially thought it was my scope problem, I didn't track(didn't write down) pellets speed that time, however, at some point I had a feeling that I was getting much higher pellet speed readings before that shift happened.

Interesting enough. If a regulator such a problem, does it point to the degraded QA process at FX side? I haven't see a lot of complains from people about FX Impact quality before, except charging port was not easily available. btw, it seems like FX made a cut to make it easier to detach quick disconnect connector. 
 
"RMORRIS"You have a creeping regulator. I just returned my .25 Impact to AOA and this was one of my concerns. My regulator gauge read 150 when new. Now reads 170-175. It really sucks when you can't depend on that first shot. It takes more hammer force to open valve with higher pressure behind it. That is why velocity is lower until regulator pressure comes down to what hammer spring was tuned to.
Did AoA fix your problem or just refund you?
 
"vladb"Thank you for your responses folks! That helps.
It definitely looks like a regulator problem. I just looked at guage, fired a pellet, looked again. The pressure read was slightly lower, but by not much. Just 2-3 bars if I estimate it correctly. It also can explain that weird aim point shift after around 500 shots I had several weeks ago at shooting range. I initially thought it was my scope problem, I didn't track(didn't write down) pellets speed that time, however, at some point I had a feeling that I was getting much higher pellet speed readings before that shift happened.

Interesting enough. If a regulator such a problem, does it point to the degraded QA process at FX side? I haven't see a lot of complains from people about FX Impact quality before, except charging port was not easily available. btw, it seems like FX made a cut to make it easier to detach quick disconnect connector.
There's always a chance that a mass produced mechanical device is going to have a problem. A bad regulator is something AoA should be able to fix quickly for you. I'd give them a call and make use of the warranty.
 
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These are three pics of the regulated gauge.
First one made right after shot, the second one an hour later and the third one today morning.
 
I reached the AOA service. They tried to convince me that this first shot issue behavior is kinda normal for regulated FX guns.
That's is an interesting claim that I have problems to believe.
My Benjamin Marauder .22 with installed regulator never exhibited this behavior. It shoots just fine until it is off the regulator.

By now, the gauge shows exactly 150.
 
There are two issues. When new, ALL regulators creep, with some being much worse than others. After they seat in, they tend to stay at their set point. A few will creep up a little, which effects the first shot or two. I wouldn't call this fact a defect, albeit exasperating. 

The other are the gauges. We'd all like to think they're precision, but they're not, even on the best of airguns. They also have a VERY small hole for the air to enter, which lessens the shock of instant changes in pressure when the airgun is fired. This slows their read out time, which can give you a false sense of the actual pressure. Personally, I have never found any of the small gauges (≈ one inch OD), to be as accurate as a standard air bottle fill gauge. 
 
My impact did this also. It is frustrating because I would grab it first thing in the morning to bowl over a starling and of course the shot would be low! If you take a shot to sort the reg birds gone. 
I rebuilt the regulator with a new piston and orings and it thought it hadn't worked but as Allen has said they can come right and mine did. 
Its one of the few things that is often reported as a problem but doesn't seem to have a definite fix! 
It may sort its self out with some time. 
Hope it does. 
Michael
 
In my case, it seems like this was not a problem initially. After a few thousand shots the problem has developed.
Over time (it is only a month I own this rifle), the problem gets worse.

Here is a picture of 5 shot group from 17 yards range after 4-5 hours of no shooting.
Hit at the top is actually a bottom.
I just have no idea, how Ted could win a competition if there is such a drastic POI shift. 

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As I said, Benjamin Marauder .22 with installed regulator is much more reliable for first shot than FX Impact, which is kinda disturbing. $500 vs $1899.

ps. I will not shoot for several days to see how badly pellet speed and POI shift are in couple days.
 
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on the Impact:

It's all about proper adjustment of the reg pressure and hammer spring

that's one of my test, the 1 st shot has to be within the ES after the gun has been idle for hours and the next morning. 

the only way to achieve this is by having your reg and hammer spring max out till speed no longer increase, the VS adjuster is backout till you hit the shroud and screw back in a tune. in other words you want to be on top of the rainbow or just over the rainbow of the power band.

example: your max speed is 850fps with the 34g and you adjusted the hammer and VS to get 800fps you will always get low 1st and 2nd shot the next morning or within hours.

let's say your speed max out #4 on the power wheel and there is no reason to use #5 and max setting if you do you will be wasting shots. you can fine tuned the wheel to get your max speed on max.

now if you use any hammer wheel setting below 4 you will get low 1st shot. so don't expect the lower power setting to be as accurate as your max speed--not going to happen.

above is true if there is no major reg creep, 5b is kinda normal.

you stated you are shooting at 800fps with 34g, the reg pressure on the photo look like you're going to max out around 840-850 fps with 34g if this is trun you will have a low 1st shot issue. 

on mine i adjust 5-10fps below my max speed of 810fps with 44g on power wheel #4. on the impact .30 shorty. 350CC tank and 15" ST barrel 26" OAL, yes shorter than my .25 ST barrel Edgun Leshiy shooting at 40fpe. 





 
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