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    Verve
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    This rifle will be a good revenue earner for the tuners when out of warranty.

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    sharroff
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    Unfortunately, I agree.  Should not be that way though.   The Impact should be every bit as reliable and accurate as the Boss and it simply is not.

     

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    Kitplanenut
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    For you guys having trouble, I feel your pain. You shouldn’t have troubles regardless of the price of the gun or the brand. But some do. Just a couple of observations. You seem to be really tough on the Impact because of lead times and problems with the gun. As I recall that is exactly what happened with the Wildcat when it came out. Now there are hundreds of them out there and they are a well loved gun. Other then the few with problems. I bought a 22 and 25 Wildcat when they first came out. First production run. Have not shot the 25 much, but the 22 has exceeded 15K rounds with no trouble. As for the Impact I waited, but we will see if the gun I get is as trouble free. According to UPS will be here tomorrow. I’ll let you know. Another thing I’ve noticed is some people voice a low opinion of the 20 yard target that AOA sends out with their new guns. I’m not sure if your wanting a 50/100 yard accuracy target? At their store I was observing this 20 yard range. Range is determined by the size of their building. It’s a place you can set down with a new rifle and try it out. It’s also where they shoot the new rifles before shipping to check function. Maybe they should not send the target they shoot as that seems to offend some people. Just my observations

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    sharroff
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    Kitplanenut,

    Yes, I am being tough on the Impact.  I put out $2500 and waited eight months for a gun.  When it arrived there wasn’t “1” issues there were 9 and I now am waiting to see what can get fixed.  That tells me the gun as a whole wasn’t really QC’d or that their pass for QC was ‘it holds air and shoots’. I expect that from a $99 Crossman air rifle I buy at Walmart.  And oh by the way, I can take that $99 air rifle right back to walmart (or Pyramyd Air)  and get my money back no questions asked.   With the Impact I have to begin a journey of send it back to the same people that originally had it so do the kind of inspection that should have been done before it was sent to me.  

    I hear you on the Wildcat, but maybe I heard it differently.  I heard “Here is another example of a FX gun where the kinks were not worked out before customer learned about them in their own hands”.  And I don’t give fx a pass for ‘its a new platform’.  I don’t hear any where near the complains about new Steyr, Feinwerkau, RAW or Daystates.  I have one of the first Steyr EVO 10s – and it’s a flawless work of mechanical art that shoots perfectly right out of the box.  Same for my Airwolf MCT.  

    Re range, FX made it look like the Impact was a serious contender at the 100 Extreme Bench Rest with the units they brought.  FX should be making sure these generally manufactured guns can play like the guns they brought to EBR.   My expectation is 1/2 at 75 like the Boss or better.
     

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    “Kitplanenut”Another thing I’ve noticed is some people voice a low opinion of the 20 yard target that AOA sends out with their new guns. I’m not sure if your wanting a 50/100 yard accuracy target? At their store I was observing this 20 yard range. Range is determined by the size of their building. It’s a place you can set down with a new rifle and try it out. It’s also where they shoot the new rifles before shipping to check function. Maybe they should not send the target they shoot as that seems to offend some people. Just my observations

    I am sure we all agree that a rifle shooting single hole at 20 yards does nut guarantee that it can shoot under 1 inch at 50 yards.

    
Professionals in the business of selling professional gear/airguns should provide professional quality QC and testing.  When you buy a sport cart that has a top speed of 160mph you don’t take it around the parking lot for a 20mph test run. Grandpa’s 1970’s Daisy airgun had an effective range of 20 yards….today’s PCP are judged at the 50 yard range and increasingly at 100 yards.

    The fact is that either the expectations of a half inch group from a $2K rifle at 50 yards are overblown by the general public, or the dealer does not want to deal with accurizing or sending back rifles that do not meet such standards. RAW seems to have such QC controls in place where they test their rifles at longer ranges and it won’t even leave their shop unless it performs. At the end, the well-informed customer will decide if he will continue to pay $2K for a rifle that was mass-produced and sold as such without the individual attention expected by professionals. Or turn instead to a maker/dealer (like RAW) who treats their entire manufacturing process and product sales in a professional manner from development, to sales, and aftermarket support. 

    Not having longer than a 20 yard range for a business which is the de facto airgun importer/dealer in the entire U.S. is not an excuse.

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    “fe7565”…The fact is that either the expectations of a half inch group from a $2K rifle at 50 yards are overblown by the general public, or the dealer does not want to deal with accurizing…
     

    
Since my Wildcat .22 has no problem shooting 1/2 inch groups at 50 yards, I must admit I would be highly disappointed if I purchased anything above that $1400 mark and it didn’t perform as well or better. Since there are guns out there that perform that well the expectations are well warranted.

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    I agree that all these higher end guns should shoot 1/2 at 50. You get no argument from me there. I also believe that these guns have been designed and proven to be able to do exactly that. Now that’s done they are kicking them out in mass production numbers because of high demand from you and me. I don’t believe it’s possible at the manufacture to check each one so they spot check. The distributor gets them and hopefully does a function check and then we get them. Just like a new car designed to get X MPG, not every one gets checked. I believe the majority of them do exactly like they are designed to do. That leaves the problem group. I have no idea why, but we get them in EVERYTHING. I have a new Dodge 1500 ecodiesel the dealer had more then I did in the beginning. So that leaves us with the choice of sending it back and forth until the problems are solved. A real pain, or sending it back for a refund and walking away disappointed. The only problem I personally have had, AOA just took care of. The great service really took the sting out. Now, All that said, it still doesn’t fix the problem. 

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    AoA calIed me last night to talk for about 15 minutes about my reported Impact issues.  They have resolved most of them, but they can not resolve one of my major issues which is the  scope mount to barrel alignment issue.  They have tried various scopes and barrels and rings and the bottom line is the only way to fix the issue is for me is to use FX no limit or similar adjustable rings to compensate for the variance (or make a 30mm dowel rod and use sand paper to slowly grind down my Burris Extreme Tactical rings  enough to compensate). 

    I want to let everyone know that AoA has been A+ at response time and A+ at service level. Special call out to Kevin at AoA for communications.   I really believe they have done everything they could including replacing one of my barrels and accurizing another and rebuilding the regulator to try to  fix what I reported to them, but it is what it is for the other items.  They are going to send the gun back to me for testing, but I believe the off the shelf Impact isn’t designed to compete with a Boss or RAW for accuracy at 75 yards.  Since my goal is accuracy at 75+ yards and I have unresolvable issues I am most likely going to be asking for a refund from Precision Airguns to be applied to a different rifle.

    AoA will be returning the rifle to me in a few days.  I will let those following this thread know how my testing goes.

     

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    Ginuwine1969
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    Question, don’t all FX guns have the same barrel?  Because if they are all the same barrel then i would think the only thing left to contribute to accuracy would be harmonics and the volume of air being released to drive the pellet (non-shooter issues).

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    Ginuwine1969,

    Goto http://www.fxairguns.com/ and look at all the different barrel lengths  and shourds and moderators (or lack thereof).  Even within the same gun (Impact for example) there will be  barrels that behave differently. That’s why one of mine was replaced and another was accurized.  

     

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    sharroff, Glad to hear your making progress. Wish you the best of luck. It will be interesting to see if my Impact shows today and what kind of accuracy it will do. Keep us informed if you keep your Impact, or if you exchange it and if so what you go with instead. 

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    sharroff
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    Finger crossed you get a good one!  Since ours arrived close together I’d be interest in seeing if you see any of what I did on mine.

     

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    Didn’t I read or see a video that said the owner of FX air guns does the final barrel trueing? It seems like he would not have time to test every barrel they sold? Maybe I dreamed that or read it on the internet lol.

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    Kitplanenut
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    My 25 Impact showed up today. For some reason UPS tracking says the scope mounts got delayed until tomorrow. Figures. The gun looks great and went together good. Cocking is smooth like all the FX guns. Trigger needs adjusting. 1st stage has a little to much travel and 2nd stage need to be lightened, but that’s just adjustment. After reading the instructions loaded it up and shot it without the scope just to see. With the shroud back it’s loud. Much louder then the Wildcat without a moderator. With it extended it’s about the same as the Wildcat 25 with the FX 4 cup moderator. This doesn’t mean anything if the accuracy is not there. Scope mounts will come tomorrow and I’ll let you know how it does. Only thing i’ve noticed that I thought could be improved was a couple of sharp edges on machined parts

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    Thanks for the update.  Yep, smooth cocking (for pellets that are not oversized ) is a plus for the Impact as is its light carry weight.  Your trigger observation is inline with mine.  I could not adjust it to where I wanted it so I’m curious to see if AoA was able to make it better.  I found the 25 shroud when extended to be ‘ok’ at levels less than Max.  At Max with the 25 or 30 the ‘moderator’ wasn’t effective at removing the crack.  The Huggett I bought was.

    Looking forward to your accuracy tests at 50yd and beyond.  Good luck to you!

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    My .25 cal Impact has been shooting great but I have had trouble getting consistency at 50 yards and I honestly believe it is just the bullpup aciton/AR style grip for me.  I personally cannot get comfortable shooting at this distance with the rifle…. practicing everyday and may try a couple different scopes.
    Trigger is very nice but noticeably heavier stock than my other FX rifles. May adjust as well this week.
     

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    The FX no limit rings arrived this afternoon. Took the Impact and the 25 Wildcat to the shop. Put the Athlon Argos 8×34 that was on the wildcat on the new 25 Impact. Put a Hawke Sidewinder 8×32 on the Wildcat.  Got both sighted in. Sighted the Impact in with the shroud retracted. The Wildcat has not been shot much. Maybe 1 1/2 tins since new. I am shooting 1/2 inch splatter burst targets at 50 and 75 yards. Wind was about 3 mph from right front. The Wildcat was shooting 1/2 @ 50 and 3/4 @ 75. The Impact was shooting just under 1/2 @ 50 and and just over 1/2 @ 75.  So it’s doing good. Only shot 4 magazines in the Impact. Power was set to Max. Couple of observations. With the schroud extended the Impact and Wildcat sound about the same. The Wildcat mag is hands-down easier to load. Just no comparison. The Impact mag makes a noticeable racket every time you cock it in a shooting position. You can hear the pellets rattle in the mag when it rotates. Not a problem, but you hear it. When I extended the schroud it moved my POI about 1/2 inch to the right at 75 yards. Shot 2 distinct groups side by side touching extended and retracted. First chance I get it will be fun to get out the Crony and start adjusting the gun for effect. I’m sure I’ll have questions for those already been down this road. 

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    “Kitplanenut”When I extended the schroud it moved my POI about 1/2 inch to the right at 75 yards. Shot 2 distinct groups side by side touching extended and retracted. 


    and so the fun starts … good luck trying to fix that extended shroud POI shift …

    Agreed with sharroff re the crack of .25 at 850fps+

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    “Kitplanenut”When I extended the schroud it moved my POI about 1/2 inch to the right at 75 yards. Shot 2 distinct groups side by side touching extended and retracted. 


    and so the fun starts … good luck trying to fix that extended shroud POI shift …

    Agreed with sharroff re the crack of .25 at 850fps+

    Almost all of my LDC’s change my POI. Simple solution is to either shoot it with or without the same LDC.

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    “Kitplanenut”When I extended the schroud it moved my POI about 1/2 inch to the right at 75 yards. Shot 2 distinct groups side by side touching extended and retracted. 


    and so the fun starts … good luck trying to fix that extended shroud POI shift …

    Agreed with sharroff re the crack of .25 at 850fps+

    Almost all of my LDC’s change my POI. Simple solution is to either shoot it with or without the same LDC.

    Michael, the fixed shroud setup you have on your Impact is how every Impact should be shipped from factory or at the very least the customers should have the option to choose between the two. Fixed shroud is a far better setup than the extendable shroud.


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