FX Hybrid .25 cal. Slugs Accurate but…

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    AirgunBill
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    Don't expect them to expand like their little brother the FX .22 cal Hybrid. I was looking forward to the release of the .25 cal. Hybrid to have a larger slug that would expand to use on groundhogs with chest shots. Well today I brought out my Clear Ballistics brand gel in both 10% and 20% versions and did some testing for expansion. The result with the new FX .25 cal. Hybrids was basically no expansion. For some and in many pesting situations that will not make a difference and they certainly appear to be a very accurate slug in the new FX Superior liner. I don't know what they did with this slug so it doesn't expand like the smaller .22 cal. Hybrid but it is very disappointing. It is a long video but if you watch to the later parts you will see how tremendously the smaller .22 cal. Hybrids perform and the Griffiin LDC slugs expand. Bill

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    Jayson
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    Wow! That’s very surprising/disappointing? Did you say how fast you were going? I may have missed that. Thanks 

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    JRisBundyboyz
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    I was curious if your FPS at target or muzzle

     

    maybe they weren’t moving enough I’ve seen plenty of guys show minimal expansion on slugs but you really got to spin em’

    nice video

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    mtnGhost
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    He says 902FPS in the video.

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    AirgunBill
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    Yes mtnGhost got it right. They were certainly moving fast enough for expansion. If you note I shot the 29 grain Griffin LDC with the same settings and they were moving fast enough to expand very well. Like I said something must be different in the lead composition or slug construction. Bill

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    DShepard
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    I noticed how bright the .25s were. That's really disappointing about the expansion. I've got a bunch on order. I expect they will still do the job, pellets don't expand, either. I will also be trying the 33.5 NSAs. I'm looking to move out past pellet ranges. 

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    yalel
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    As there are also you tube video’s showing massiv expansion of the .25 hybrids could we conclude that 902 ft/sec is just to slow speed to accomplish mushrooming as more or less intended and is the recommended 930-950 ft/sec indeed the critical/optimum velocity for these slugs ?This would mean that many airguns like vulcan , edgun, etc. Are put of the game as boosting speeds with these gun/ slug combo into that territory is not easy to do and probably even harming the overall concept of these riffles in terms of materials and tolerances used.  The Griffins might be a better option when the Video posted in this posting is correct.  Do I understand  well that a normal pellet with the same weight as a slug is shot faster out of the barrel then the slug ? ( more contact area ..?)

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    AirgunBill
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    First of all I am finding it a little hard to totally understand what you are trying to say. Next since the FX Hybrid .25 cal. just came out please show me or give me links to all these videos showing massive expansion. And if the expansion you talk of is into media other than ballistic gel, like clay or buckets of water than those are bad media to compare to animal tissue. Finally if you think all of a sudden you will get massive expansion with just another 30 to 50 fps that is not how it works. Bill

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    Kaeokini
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    Aloha Bill,

    I did some testing on my FX hybrids .25 i was shooting it in a bucket of water, 20’ elevation. I’m shooting these hybrids @ 910 FPS. Here’s the results. 
    Aloha, Keone

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    AirgunBill
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    Aloha Keone like I said shooting into a bucket of water will not replicate shooting into ballistic gel or animal tissue. The resistance is way more although counter intuitive. Have you heard that jumping off a bridge from high up into water is like hitting concrete. Bill

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    yalel
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    Hi Bill, what exactly is not clear to you. My native language is not english so that might cause some unclear phrasing maybe .

    indeed there are not many different experiences as yours yet as these hybrids in .25 just arrived on the market . I was exagerating a bit . But have a look at this https://youtu.be/pCC3ezT3bR8.     Or google the words “fx hybrids meat granates”    There you will see very much practical example ( into a piece of real meat) of the nice fragmentation of the .25 hybrids .   I do not want to say that your experience is not correct as I do believe 100% your experience is what it is but I want to bring up that maybe the 902 ft/sec speed is not sufficient to let this slug shine.  As Kaeokini and the guy from the “ meatgranates” shows there is a specific energy on which the .25 opens up and that can indeed be from a specific quite speed onwards and to state that an increase of 30-50 ft/sec cannot make the differnce is a bold statement you make that from my experience is a little over selfsecure ..
    by the way if you jump from a bridge on ballistic gel ………..😉

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    Hi Bill, what exactly is not clear to you. My native language is not english so that might cause some unclear phrasing maybe .

    indeed there are not many different experiences as yours yet as these hybrids in .25 just arrived on the market . I was exagerating a bit . But have a look at this https://youtu.be/pCC3ezT3bR8.     Or google the words “fx hybrids meat granates”    There you will see very much practical example ( into a piece of real meat) of the nice fragmentation of the .25 hybrids .   I do not want to say that your experience is not correct as I do believe 100% your experience is what it is but I want to bring up that maybe the 902 ft/sec speed is not sufficient to let this slug shine.  As Kaeokini and the guy from the “ meatgranates” shows there is a specific energy on which the .25 opens up and that can indeed be from a specific quite speed onwards and to state that an increase of 30-50 ft/sec cannot make the differnce is a bold statement you make that from my experience is a little over selfsecure ..
    by the way if you jump from a bridge on ballistic gel ………..😉

    Okay I watched the video on 'Meat Grenades' and if you noticed the loudest noise of impact came from shooting the tomatoes. That is because they are almost all water which provides a lot of resistance to the slug like shooting into water does. When he then shoots into the tomato first and then into the meat he has used the tomato first to increase the expansion. I also have watched high speed videos of shooting high power rifles into pools of water and it is amazing to see how fast the round slows down in a short distance. I believe that damage you see on the meat has more to do with kinetic energy than expansion. And if the expansion he thinks he is getting into the meat alone  then why is he not finding the mushroom round or pieces in the meat. Of course you will still be getting good results in hunting small game but his video does not definitively show the expansion he is claiming in my opinion. You of course welcome to your opinion and I will have mine. Bill

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    yalel
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    You’ve got a  point there Bill.   Very uncontrolled testing with that tomatoe in front of the meat and I can go along with you opinion re direct impact on the meat.  I believe your testing is more real and I have even decided because of your findings to skip my order till further notice as I highly doubt now that these hybrids will be any good in my Lelya .  Let’s see in the coming weeks what will be brought to the table.  I currently shoot Hades .25  with great succes till 70 yards. Might be more wind sensitiv and delivering less energy at POI but they fit my needs thus far.  I would be happy with slugs that bring a leap advantage to the hades but with my power of the Lelya I doubt it for now with the hybrids. I shoot with an ATN ballistic calculator paired with my scope so more straight  bullet trajectory is not so important to me but wind resistance and energy transfer is a real  winner and (r) evolution in our sport thanks to the rapid development of the slug story.

    thanks for your contributions and keep us posted about relevant issues 

    cheers

    yalel

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    AirgunBill
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    yalel there are many different attributes and needs one can have for shooting particular pellets or slugs. Of course the first thing most want is accuracy. In my testing I was wanting to find out the expansion of these slugs as related to using them for chest shots on groundhogs. From my initial results with the FX Hybrid slug in .25 cal. shot through the new Superior liner it seems they are easy to get them to shoot accurately. This is very good when you consider how hard it can be to find regular slugs to shoot accurately in each rifle. Now for some pesting and small game shooting you don't need a lot of expansion to be effective. So with the FX Hybrid .25 cal.and Superior liner some might find that a big plus in addition to their excellent B.C. but the cost of these slugs are pretty high compared to say the NSA slugs at about $18.99 for 300ct as oppose to $15.99 per 100 ct. for the Hybrids. For me each type of pellet or slug can be useful depending on your needs. Cheers back to ya. Bill

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    zan89
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    Just got .25 hybrids, my first imoression when i opened them is not good at all. Asking my self if they had swept the floor and put everything in the box, but this looks very bad, specialy for that price. FX presents high quality products, but this is just not, doesnt mater how they shoot..

    Half of that dirt allready fall down while transport, or the way from Netherland to Slovenia is maybe just to short to get clean 

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    Just got .25 hybrids, my first imoression when i opened them is not good at all. Asking my self if they had swept the floor and put everything in the box, but this looks very bad, specialy for that price. FX presents high quality products, but this is just not, doesnt mater how they shoot..

    Half of that dirt allready fall down while transport, or the way from Netherland to Slovenia is maybe just to short to get clean 


    new to this post, but just ordered a sleeve of these myself to test out in my wildcat mk2. After all the hype they had behind them, I too was disappointed when opening the box to see how damaged the slugs were. I can’t see how this won’t effect accuracy!

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