FX guns seem to rule the roost at the last benchrest; where were the Daystates?

Most likely it is just showing which manufacturer organised/sponsored the event. Humans compete between each other, if it was brands determining who is the winner than would be... just crazy and boring.

Based on your posts to the 2 threads, I'd say you're disappointed with your Daystate Red Wolf and are now considering the FX line.

Been there; done that. The FX's are very accurate -- the Royales, Wildcat and Impacts -- as are the Vulcans.

I state this from my personal experience with those rifles.

I also own 4 Daystates, one Air Arms and one big bore Ataman. 

I suspect you will own several brands eventually; always chasing that elusive perfection. Consider what your needs and uses are. Then proceed from there. 80% of the targets you posted depict accuracy more than adequate for hunting. For bench target shooting, FXs and Vulcans would be my choices.

My $.02.

Sponsorship by FX I suspect, Daystate only seem to be featured sponsoring thier owners day events on YouTube.

AOA have moved heavily to promoting Daystate it seems after FX USA happened? UTAH seem tied wih FX.

The main shooters in these events, Dubber, Ted, Thane etc. all seem tied to FX, that could be that before the Redwolf, Daystate didn't have much that could compete with the Impact, not so now of course, the only main advantage with the IMPACT being the mag capacity, but I have noticed Tomcat moving close with the Daystates so perhaps he will win with one in the future?

Only other issue is whether the Redwolf sidelever could stand up to the punishment they dish out to the sidelever on the IMPACT?

Maybe it's the interchangeable barrels.....

Give Daystate time after all the Red Wolf is the new kid on the block.

shooters are just getting used to. Daystate may not do go well this year but next year possibly.

Extreme bench rest and now the rocky mountain match are basically advertisements for FX. We see guys who have u-tube channels shooting and winning (don't think they don't get preferable lanes or relay times) and now we want what rifle they have. It's that simple. Just my 2 cents. Can't back that up with much, although somone that did attend EBR told me about the bench preference part. 

Chas

I think that sponsorship does have a big effect. I used to be sponsored by a certain BBQ grill/smoker company. It was their habit to find people who were already well known, and then sponsor them with free equipment and supplies. This way, when their sponsored chefs posted something, their grill/smoker equipment was in the picture. People started to associate great cooking with a specific grilling/smoking product, and the sales of their equipment skyrocketed. This simple fact was the company did make a great product, but also, a lot of their sponsored chefs could have produced an amazing meal over a pile of coals on the ground.

I suspect we are seeing the same thing in air rifles. There are a lot of air guns which can produce winning results. By sponsoring some of the top marksmen out there, a company can improve the visibility of their product. A lot goes into shooting at the competition level, things which your average shooter never bothers with. They agonize over trying many different brands of pellets, variations in head size, variations in weight, trimming/increasing and adjusting the velocity by a few FPS, to find the velocity which gives them the tightest groups, learning the exact windage characteristics for their selected gun/ideal-pellet/velocity. They even map the temperature variations in their scopes. Some even consider barometric pressure. This is way beyond what most "typical" air gun shooters worry about. It is that kind of obsessive behavior which separates match shooters from the "good, or even excellent" shooters out there. Manufacturers bet on the jockey, and not the horse.

There are some major possible reasons why FX is destroying their competition. Which do you agree?

1. FX has really been killing all shooting events by rigging them and are being very cunning and working angles from behind the scenes. 

2. FX has all the money and is able to buy all the big Youtube names, which in turn, convinces more air-gunners to buy more FX, which in turn, puts more FX guns into shooters hands to win events.

3. FX guns are just better and the good shooters know it.

There was a time when Daystates dominated - Look at the first couple years of EBR. Then FX made the .30 cal boss and later the Impact - it was all over for Daystate after that. I remember that there were AOA employees that had to use Daystates last year (so that the brand is fairly represented) and I remember them saying that they wished they could have used an FX. The Red Wolf is the first Daystate that can compete with the FXs, so this year should be interesting, but I still think that there will be more FX shooters at the event. Remember that FX barrels are designed for long range performance and Daystate barrels are better suited to close range. You will probably see the Daystates do better at the 25m.

By the way, nobody gets to choose their lanes. Shooters are given random lanes during qualifying and then can pick their lanes based on the position they qualify in (1st place picks from a hat first). Even this doesn’t really help - Shane Kellar and I picked what we thought were the worst lanes last year and they ended up being the best. Ted qualified first, happened to draw what everyone thought was the best lane, and strugged with some crazy wind that took everyone by surprise.

Keep in mind that both FX and Daystate have sponsored all the EBR events since year one, so there was never any bias. Both brands had their shooters that came out from all corners of the globe.

We will continue to see a see-saw of domination as each manufacturer keeps bringing out new technology. And that’s what we want to see! These competitions are largely responsible for the drive to make the next best gun. FX made the .30 cal solely for Benchrest shooting, and Daystate were left behind. But who knows what the future will hold!

DavidSng,

I would say no two on your list.

Money talks if say FX give you a rifle to shoot all year long it’s obvious that you will rock up and use it in competition. I’ve noticed that support sponsored shooters get at these comps. Not haveing to worry if your rifle dies a death is good to have.

Mind you no matter who shoots what rifle it is always down to the shooter to put the pedal to the metal and win.

I do wish that we could have a properly sponsored shoot over in the U.K.

You mean at yesterdays match? 

Sure you mean6t the get together sponsored event mention by others above, who pretty well called it correctly I feel.

With the right shooter pretty much any ( reasonable , maybe not a wildfire or such) airgun could take 1st and as they are all so much fun and the majority of us do not shoot well enough to take 1st place pick a flavor & shoootttt.



John

I’m sssuming you mean the Main Event - 75/100 yards? Reason I’m asking is because FX did not dominate AFT or 25M BR. 

The Daystates are coming 

This year Daystate has allocated more resources to the match and so will probably fair better, the company, along with Brocock also has some new guns which we hope to be popular and should bring in some results. Then as a previous poster stated its all down to the shooter.

I'm coming this year and have the envious task now of selecting which gun and scope to shoot from the entire daystate/Brocock/mtc range. I have almost no time to practise, and will be shooting the next day that I fly in, so am looking to select one gun/scope to do the lot. Help me chose please!

Tony Belas 

Daystate Ltd 

The Daystates are coming 

This year Daystate has allocated more resources to the match and so will probably fair better, the company, along with Brocock also has some new guns which we hope to be popular and should bring in some results. Then as a previous poster stated its all down to the shooter.

I'm coming this year and have the envious task now of selecting which gun and scope to shoot from the entire daystate/Brocock/mtc range. I have almost no time to practise, and will be shooting the next day that I fly in, so am looking to select one gun/scope to do the lot. Help me chose please!

Tony Belas 

Daystate Ltd

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Tony, I really hope you choose the RedWolf HP (your flagship) ... anything less would be a disappointment.

I'll be shooting my RW HP at EBR

Fx bought out the shooters on YouTube to represent fx in the ebr

The Daystates are coming 

This year Daystate has allocated more resources to the match and so will probably fair better, the company, along with Brocock also has some new guns which we hope to be popular and should bring in some results. Then as a previous poster stated its all down to the shooter.

I'm coming this year and have the envious task now of selecting which gun and scope to shoot from the entire daystate/Brocock/mtc range. I have almost no time to practise, and will be shooting the next day that I fly in, so am looking to select one gun/scope to do the lot. Help me chose please!

Tony Belas 

Daystate Ltd

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Good to have you back Tony, you could always borrow one of my Four Redwolfs if you like (well maybe not the Rosso) but only if you hurry up and get me my .22FAC, .22HP and .25HP ASAP!

Hoping that the local RFD will take my last Crown in PX against one of the Redwolfs LOL!

There was a time when Daystates dominated - Look at the first couple years of EBR. Then FX made the .30 cal boss and later the Impact - it was all over for Daystate after that. I remember that there were AOA employees that had to use Daystates last year (so that the brand is fairly represented) and I remember them saying that they wished they could have used.........................................

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Some good points Matt (my apologies for calling you "Dubber" earlier but it's such a great surname).

What I do like about what you have done recently Matt, is start to promote good quality glass in the events, it breaks my heart to see all those beautiful $2000+ air rifles with awful $400 MTC (sorry Tony) and Hawke scopes on them!

There was a time when Daystates dominated - Look at the first couple years of EBR. Then FX made the .30 cal boss and later the Impact - it was all over for Daystate after that. I remember that there were AOA employees that had to use Daystates last year (so that the brand is fairly represented) and I remember them saying that they wished they could have used........................................."

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Some good points Matt (my apologies for calling you "Dubber" earlier but it's such a great surname).

What I do like about what you have done recently Matt, is start to promote good quality glass in the events, it breaks my heart to see all those beautiful $2000+ air rifles with awful $400 MTC (sorry Tony) and Hawke scopes on them!

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Matt was promoting the Aztec Emerald -- after consulting in its production -- I believe I recall him saying in a video. I purchased the Emerald for ~ $400 based on his endorsement.  I no longer use it, because of the ultra thin reticle is not to my liking.

I chose to go back to my $4 hundred bucks Hawke with the illuminated reticle.

To each his own, I suppose.

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