FX for precision target (and hunting); Daystate for hunting?

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    DHart
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    If you were to generalize about air rifles a bit, would this possibly make sense?

    I’m not implying that Daystate doesn’t make a great rifle, because they certainly do.  The Red Wolf, for example, is a very cool rifle in so many ways.

    I’m just not so sure that Daystate quite has the ultra precision target consistency down cold, as FX seems to have. OR, I’ve made the wrong choices with my Red Wolves (.22 and .22HP).

    I could be wrong!  What does your experience tell you and what are your thoughts?

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    2manyAirGunz
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    Of my first 5 PCP purchases, four were from the Daystate line (my first purchase was the AA S510). I chose them all based mostly on looks. All were and still are beautiful rifles — works of art. They look very good on my gun rack.😉

    After reading more about PCPs on the forums and even on the vendor sites (over a period of time), I learned about "regulators" and how they enhanced consistency in the shot string). I have not purchased an unregulated rifle after my first experience with the wonderful FX Royale 500. I now own 6 FX rifles. They are, truth-be told, my favorite air rifles to shoot. 

    I know, belatedly, Daystate Ltd. has begun to install regulators in selected models. And they also have their electronically regulated(?) models. Too late. The Daystates with the regulators, side levers — as opposed to bolts — and laminate are simply more expensive Royales, as far as I'm concerned. I have that already and I wonder why Daystate was so late to embrace the regulator.

    FX is alone at the top my list of PCPs. AGT's Vulcan runs a very close second.

    My $.02! 

    But who asked me, huh?

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    DHart
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    2manyAirGunz

    Of my first 5 PCP purchases, four were from the Daystate line (my first purchase was the AA S510). I chose them all based mostly on looks. All were and still are beautiful rifles — works of art. They look very good on my gun rack.😉

    After reading more about PCPs on the forums and even on the vendor sites (over a period of time), I learned about "regulators" and how they enhanced consistency in the shot string). I have not purchased an unregulated rifle after my first experience with the wonderful FX Royale 500. I now own 6 FX rifles. They are, truth-be told, my favorite air rifles to shoot. 

    I know, belatedly, Daystate Ltd. has begun to install regulators in selected models. And they also have their electronically regulated(?) models. Too late. The Daystates with the regulators, side levers — as opposed to bolts — and laminate are simply more expensive Royales, as far as I'm concerned. I have that already and I wonder why Daystate was so late to embrace the regulator.

    FX is alone at the top my list of PCPs. AGT's Vulcan runs a very close second.

    My $.02! 

    But who asked me, huh?

    2many…. I asked you!  :-).  Thanks for you input.

    My only Daystate experience is with RW .22 and RW .22HP.

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    Spray1Mark
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    Forget FX for target accuraccy, especially in .177!

    If you want true bechrest precision you need one of these!

    Above the 9015 in the benchrest sytle start stock in 6FT.

    Or one of these, the stock is not as well suited as the 9015 above for shooting off bags however but just as accurate and it is availible off the shelf in 18FT configuration for shooting the JSB 10.34g pellet.

    Or lastly one of these again 6FT output.

     

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    Spray1Mark
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    Or a Redwolf in .177 LOL and a box of these!

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    PerkyVal
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    It seems to me that FX rules the roost at this time with the possible exception of .177

    I'm not talking about the precision, purpose built rifles, but rather general use guns that most of us use.

    This year at EBR I think Daystate will be quite competitive with the new Red Wolf. If it is maybe more of the top shooters will adopt them for next year.

    They certainly are beautiful guns, and I'd love to more brands competitive at EBR

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    crittahitta
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    Your pics arent showing up.

    Edit sorry they just opened. I see it now

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    John_in_Ma
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    Interesting that you pick the .22 as your round for comparison. I don't think any one maker is better than the other in this category. The round is too small for EBR style shooting, and too big, in most cases for many forms of target shooting. In reality any rifle can be made to shoot lights outs regardless of caliber. It's only a matter of time and money.

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    dgiannandrea
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    I'm shooting a couple of 1st gen PCPs: Daystate PH6 .177 (ca 2000), FX Tarantula .22 (pre 2002). Neither can be loaded single-shot, both must use the magazine. I prefer my old Daystate because it has never been apart since I've owned it. Reliability has been awesome, AND it is twice as accurate as the old Tarantula which is currently disassembled waiting for an O-ring kit.

    After a lot if investigation during the FX rebuild, I tend to think the reason for it not shooting as tight as the PH6 is because of the magazine loader. It just doesn't register each pellet chamber as accurately as it should. It's a 1st generation repeater and the design is primitive.

    So I have chosen Daystate for the reliability, and of course, they make the most beautiful guns. Maybe I need a new FX.  Just to be fair… as I did acquire a Daystate Huntsman Regal .22 to shoot while the FX was benched.

    Nice topic. Now I have to buy more PCPs just to speak with authority. Thanks guys.

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    douger
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    I agree the daystates fx edgun cricket jager brockok all can shoot lights out just a matter of the shooter and finding what it shoots best and at what desired speed  I forgot bsa also  jmpo 

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    blackdiesel
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    First of all the Extreme Benchrest competition is not about "precision" shooting.  It's not even considered a real benchrest competition because of how it's scored.   The EBR is all about getting a favorable lane with favorable wind conditions and the way the rules are set (by putting a fast time limit, it hurts guys that single load and precisely aim) .  As far as FX dominating it, I think it come down to the law of averages.  There are far more FX guns in the competition and a higher than average chance that a FX will get a favorable lane.  The truth of the matter is that all of the elite guns are pretty even when it comes to accuracy.  If you look at "real" benchrest competitions, the numbers will show that RAW dominates them.  The EBR is all about marketing and highlighting FX guns.   

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    Regarval
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    Blackdiesel i couldn’t say it any better. The EBR has been an FX showcase. 

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    JCD
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    The EBR "marketing and highlighting FX guns"  may be dwindle a bit now that FX is their own distributor in the US. But time will tell.

    The FX .177 is hit or miss overall. Every FX .177 I've had (and I go through too many Airguns) can shoot as well as anything I've had but not always at FT levels (12fpe or 20fpe). But I've not tried an X barrel yet. I will say that I have a wildcat MKI in .177 set at 19 FPE that shoots better than my .177 Red Wolf.  No comparison on shot count though…

    I can really only speak to the airwolf and its new cousin the red wolf but I would not deem them better at hunting than target, nor would I deem them better/worse than FX in any category other than shooter effort. The Daystate all have been shot as they come out of the box, the FX's all need some love (what I mean by shooter effort… reg adj, HS adj, more pellet picky). And I mean all. I have several FX and the only ones that shot as advertised are the ones I bought used and presumably adjusted by prior owners. Still shoot them the most though.

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    T3PRanch
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    FX and Daystate both are offering additional premiums for EBR winners this year based on whose guns are being shot by the winners. Threads were started a few weeks ago by both manufacturers.

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    Arzrover
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    Daystate started life as a hunting tool manufacturer. In 94 they released the Cr series …. regulated … I'm sure to compete with the other brands of rifles for the increasingly popular game of …FT… a game designed to simulate hunting to some degree but more importantly,  a game designed to give people a use for their hunting rifles OR to buy new ones. FX has designed some rifles for hunting at longer ranges than typical for Ags – light, handy, and accurate and the Benchrest Extreme came to life for the same reason as FT…. to give people a use for their hunting rifles OR buy new ones. Daystate may have been slower to address this market but I feel they are serious about it now. We'll see how it pans out this year. RAW absolutely makes great rifles… They just seem more geared toward target shooting. Their are others like Taipan and Edgun who might be competitive…. why don't we see them?

    Anyway,  I think the regulator thing isn't all that important and Daystate may have dropped it for a while for reliability reasons. Their unregulated rifles shoot quite well… as do others, like AA, etc. I have a Crown and RW. The RW seems more intended to endure… like most Daystates, but the Crown sure is a nice rifle too and will probably outlast me.

    Hope you all are enjoying whatever you have… that's the real point.

    Bob

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    chohan
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    I only own the wildcat mk2 and the huntsman regal xl so far but neither is more accurate than the other. I usually shoot 40 shots per fill on the unregulated regal but it has a sweet spot of about 25 shots in the middle where it's a laser. Both are .22 caliber. 

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    Jlacouturec
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    for me, daystate is better than fx…. my wolverine r hp is groping inside a 1.5" @100 meters shooting thos jsb monster redesigned @870fps….. quiet, consistent, good look, well built… not too much orings…. 

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    Bruce
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    I have 2 Daystates, a .22 Huntsman Classic and a .25 Wolverine Hi Lite.  I FX a .25 Wildcat compact which is regulated.  All will shoot dime size groups at 60 yards. I might have to give the wildcat a slight edge but not by much.

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    spysir
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    Have to agree with many here, FX is not a target rig(name). 

    Note the above PH6 17 years old & never needed an oring & shoots like ringing a bell. Now if you go back a few years when there was Quality Control yes, FX and the Tarantula  was outstanding. 

     Follow a popular fad with FX.

    Grab an heirloom (???) Daystate.

     

    John

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    nomojo65
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    I will probably regret this but…, I‘ve alluded to this in another post, I personally feel EBR is just a promotional tool for FX & now DAYSTATE!, and that’s fine, but don’t expect me to purchase a rifle based on results of this contest!, now never owning a DAYSTATE,but did buy a FX CROWN (P.O.S. In my opinion) to many issues w/ this particular rifle to list… to be fair  a friend has one and his shoots very well and consistent, RAW is the only gun that I have any faith in at this moment ( have 4 of them!) but I will say this the Daystate REDWOLF is the only gun ( other than a THOMAS) that i would purchase at this time,they are really on the cutting edge with there electro-pneumatic platform ( think the engineering and quality of solenoids- electronics could be better?) but the consistency is there! My 2cents… fire at will!

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