FX Crown/Impact regulator mod tutorial

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    shaunnobody
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    hi

    fred27022003

    Does anyone know anything about this huma regulator for the impact ?   https://www.huma-air.com/FX-Impact-Tuning-Regulator 

    yip

    have 1

    and it works 100% better than fx

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    MetalGirlSoniX
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    Does this mod eliminate the reg creep on all reg pressures? Or just when the reg is set to 150+ bar?

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    weatherby
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    MetalGirlSoniX

    Does this mod eliminate the reg creep on all reg pressures? Or just when the reg is set to 150+ bar?

    In my case it eliminated reg creep on all pressures.

    I sold my gun to a buddy of mine, and it still performs flawless. No issues whatsoever with the regulator.

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    jorgemac
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    shaunnobody

    hi

    fred27022003

    Does anyone know anything about this huma regulator for the impact ?   https://www.huma-air.com/FX-Impact-Tuning-Regulator 

    yip

    have 1

    and it works 100% better than fx

    Do you know if this regulator works in the new Impact X .30?

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    milacik
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    Is it easy to remove the FX regulator?

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    weatherby
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    jorgemac

    shaunnobody

    hi

    fred27022003

    Does anyone know anything about this huma regulator for the impact ?   https://www.huma-air.com/FX-Impact-Tuning-Regulator 

    yip

    have 1

    and it works 100% better than fx

    Do you know if this regulator works in the new Impact X .30?

    Unfortunately not, it only fits the first and second gen impact, the Impact x has got a updated regulator which has different dimensions.

    Same goes for the last gen. Crown, it doesn't fit.

     

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    weatherby
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    milacik

    Is it easy to remove the FX regulator?

    All depends on someone's technical skills ;) 

    I can't speak for someone else, but I find it very easy to work on.

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    FukoChan
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    Well guys. I messed up :(. Max powahhh!!!! Well good news is I found out for you guys that max power for the impact .30 700mm in 44 g is 917-920 fps (85-90fpe with 55 gr.) At 165 bar regulator pressure. Any higher than that and the fps actually goes down due to the hammer spring not being strong enough to smack the valve open. Does anyone know how to mod the hammer spring? I think matt knows how to on southafrica airgunning. Also this was an accident. I don't know if I did damage to the gun or not but I will be chronological it tomorrow. Looks like nothing wrong though :).

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    milacik
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    195bar?

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    MetalGirlSoniX
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    Ok so I'm preparing to do this mod on my Crown, and I'm trying to find fitting flat washers for both the "small" and "large" regulator, as I'm not sure which one I have. I just want to have everything ready before I open it up.

    The only washer sizes I could find were 8×4,3×0,8mm and 10×5,3×1,0mm. The 8mm one should fit well enough since the inner diameter of the regulator Belleville washers are 4,2mm.

    I'm not as sure about the 10mm washer though… Could someone with more knowledge on this confirm whether or not this washer will work, if the case being that I got the "large" type of regulator? Will it work despite the inner diameter being 1,1mm wider than the Belleville washers?

    EDIT: Nevermind this post, just found out that the Crowns with serial number 180760 and up have the updated regulator. I have the older gen, so the 8mm washer should do the trick.

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    MetalGirlSoniX
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    This weekend I decided to open up my Crown to perform this mod, hoping to eliminate the reg creep. Once inside the reg chamber, I noticed the belleville washers were already stacked the "right" kind of way. More specifically, there were 19 washers stacked like this; []— (())(())(())(())(() I guess this tells us that at some point, FX realized that this is the better way to stack the washers. So instead of changing the stack in any way, I just cleaned all parts of the regulator thoroughly, and then put a generous amount of grease on both sides of all the washers, on the other reg parts and o-rings aswell, and then put the gun back together. After firing a few test shots, I noticed the creep had reduced drastically, and now it only creeps about 2-3 bar over a few days, instead of ~10bar. The settling time also improved a bit.

    I also want to mention that I had some trouble getting the breech o-ring to seal the reg properly after putting it back together, I had it apart 3 times adjusting and lubing the o-ring before it sealed properly. I simply tried topping of the air cylinder from 200 bar to about 245 bar, while air was escaping through the reg vent hole, and just as I unplugged the scba tank it sealed up, and now everything works as it should.

    Hopefully someone can make use of this information.

    Safe shooting!

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    riazp
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    Nice observation Sonix! Please may I ask when you purchased yours? Also what cal and what reg pressure did your gun come configured with?

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    MetalGirlSoniX
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    riazp

    Nice observation Sonix! Please may I ask when you purchased yours? Also what cal and what reg pressure did your gun come configured with?

    I got mine in the beginning of June this year, altough since I live in Sweden, I'm guessing it had been on the shelf for a few months (not many people buy airguns of this "level" here).

    It's in .25 and from the beginning it was set to sub 10 joule (about 7.5 ft/lbs), so the reg was set to something around 55-60 bar iirc.

    Now I have it set to 130 bar, but probably going to set it to about 140 bar when I get to the more intricate parts of tuning the gun.

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    weatherby
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    MetalGirlSoniX

    This weekend I decided to open up my Crown to perform this mod, hoping to eliminate the reg creep. Once inside the reg chamber, I noticed the belleville washers were already stacked the "right" kind of way. More specifically, there were 19 washers stacked like this; []— (())(())(())(())(() I guess this tells us that at some point, FX realized that this is the better way to stack the washers. So instead of changing the stack in any way, I just cleaned all parts of the regulator thoroughly, and then put a generous amount of grease on both sides of all the washers, on the other reg parts and o-rings aswell, and then put the gun back together. After firing a few test shots, I noticed the creep had reduced drastically, and now it only creeps about 2-3 bar over a few days, instead of ~10bar. The settling time also improved a bit.

    I also want to mention that I had some trouble getting the breech o-ring to seal the reg properly after putting it back together, I had it apart 3 times adjusting and lubing the o-ring before it sealed properly. I simply tried topping of the air cylinder from 200 bar to about 245 bar, while air was escaping through the reg vent hole, and just as I unplugged the scba tank it sealed up, and now everything works as it should.

    Hopefully someone can make use of this information.

    Safe shooting!

    Nice find MGS! 

    I have been talking to Johan Axelsson at the last IWA show, showed him this tutorial on my phone, and he was like: "ahh, so you are Weatherby?" 😃 He was aware of this thread.

    He was already talking about a redesigned regulator at that time, but they were still waiting for the correct size belleville washers I.I.R.C.

    Could well be that they started using a different stack in the meanwhile before the new regulators were introduced to make the "old" regulators more adjustable and responsive..

    Anyway, it's nice to see the double stack used in a production run, it works definitely better than the single stack IMO :)

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    DreamSmoker
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    You can just order the Washer online…

    Small Outer Diameter Washer Flat 4mm, M4

    Bolt Diameter: 4mm
    Inner Diameter: 4.3mm
    Outer Diameter: 8mm

    Thickness: .5mm

    DIN 433 / ISO 7092

    Finish: A2 Stainless Steel

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    928487381
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    Your change is worth learning, bothering, I want to know the Crown 16 high voltage disc spring specifications

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    928487381
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    I want to know if the Crown 16 high voltage disc spring is this specification? Bolt Diameter: 4mm

    Inner Diameter: 4.3mm

    Outer Diameter: 8mm

     

    Thickness: .5mm

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    Shinyknight
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    On my impact x 25 Cal there is only 11 bv washer. Is that correct or am I missing some. I'm guessing new impact has only 11? I'm sure I didn't drop any when I took it out. 

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    weatherby
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    Shinyknight

    On my impact x 25 Cal there is only 11 bv washer. Is that correct or am I missing some. I'm guessing new impact has only 11? I'm sure I didn't drop any when I took it out. 

    You'll likely have the latest regulator, it is a bit different in size compared to the previous models. The newer regulators have thicker/bigger BV washers, and can handle a wider pressure range.

    People who know me never would have thought, but my Impact X regulator is still stock 😄 

    I just never felt the need to take it apart, it works flawless. (Just about all regulators will creep ever so slightly over time)

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    weatherby

    Shinyknight

    On my impact x 25 Cal there is only 11 bv washer. Is that correct or am I missing some. I'm guessing new impact has only 11? I'm sure I didn't drop any when I took it out. 

    You'll likely have the latest regulator, it is a bit different in size compared to the previous models. The newer regulators have thicker/bigger BV washers, and can handle a wider pressure range.

    People who know me never would have thought, but my Impact X regulator is still stock 😄 

    I just never felt the need to take it apart, it works flawless. (Just about all regulators will creep ever so slightly over time)

    I bought my impact like a month ago. I believe it's the one with the amp reg. But even with the new reg it creeps overnight. I usually just dry fire 1-2 to get it back to normal. I give this mod a try, just use the 11 bv washers that was in it. Didnt have any flat washer, so just double stack the bv washes. Will see if it holds tomorrow.

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