Fx Crown vs. Daystate Red Wolf

I can't comment on the Red Wolf but I have a .22 Crown and a .22 Pulsar HP.

The Crown, at least in my case, puts my Pulsar to shame. 

I have both in 25 caliber I like them both . All I can say they are both extremely accurate I can shoot small groups with either one. I just got a new chronograph and I’m planning on testing them as soon as the weather breaks. The Crown has the ability to change barrels and caliber as well as liners giving more option for ammo. If I could only have one I would pick the Crown but the RedWolf is a close second.

I have both, in .22. I'm not sure how much I can help, because I consider the rifles almost too different to compare. The Crown offers just about unequaled flexibility in owner tuning, including the ability to quickly change calibers. You can find a power level for light pellets in the yard, or heavy pellets at full power for hunting. The RW is adjustable only through programming, but once done, you have three levels, which should be all anyone needs. RW shot count is incredible. And once you get comfortable with the fact that the rifle is controlled by very complex electronics, it is very simple, many fewer parts, little mechanical to break. The RW trigger is very good, but different, can be adjusted much lower than the Crown. But it's not a crisp break like a good mechanical trigger, but once accustomed to it, I think most folks really like it. I have mine set up as single stage at about 6 ounces. Both rifles are very accurate, I would call my two a tie in that category. Maybe you should take my path, just buy both. 

I have a 0.22 Crown and 0.22 Red Wolf (35fpe variant). Both are exceptional rifles.



Both have given me trouble, with the Crown needing a full replacement and that replacement needing some TLC to come fully right. the shroud is horrible and the accuaracy improved significantly once removed and a silencer threaded directly onto the barrel. 

The Daystate/Red Wolf mag issue has been discussed on this forum, but that is now fixed completely on my gun&mag, thanks to that thread.



Now they are both working 100%, my Red Wolf is the better overall rifle in my opinion. It has the better trigger, is quieter, and is more accurate as well as being easier to shoot accurately (i.e. quick lock time and trigger cover up my errors better). Fit and finish are better too.

The Crown is lighter with a slightly more ergonomic stock and has the bigger, simpler and more trouble free mag. All the areas that the Red Wolf pips it are still exceptional by any measure. It has a certain gestalt to the firing cycle too, that makes it really awesome to shoot.



Both will smoke an Indian/common Mynah (the North and East of South Africa's version of European Starlings. They're bigger, more aggressive and too clever by half) out past 100m with great reliability if you've done your bit.

Doubt I could sell either if it came to it. 

Might be interesting to throw a Brocock rifle into the discussion . I have one of each (no fx) and I’d be hard pressed there as well. And I have a cricket. Oh and a Daystate huntsman regal. My intention is the sell one or more of them but as of this moment I don’t know what to part with. I would rate the brocock and RW above the cricket and regal but when you factor the money difference??? 

I will say I prefer the electronic function of the RW question might be dependability down the road.

No perfect gun no clear bad one either? I

I have both also and agree with the views above. I do appreciate the fact the RedWolf has none of the problems associated with a mechanic regulator (creep & wear). Also when you change the power settings on the RedWolf it is an instant ‘perfect tune’ within a few seconds. To tune the Crown optimally to a particular pellet means adjusting regulator pressure and hammer spring tension. 

Still very happy to have both. 

I’ve owned both...,(in .22cal.) still have the RW!, IMO A much better gun for what I do and my future intentions, plus much more consistent shooting session to shooting session!

The RW wins hands down for me all day long, I have a .25 Impact & a .30 Crown currently and they are great, but I have had Impacts and Crowns that went because they were rubbish out of the box. Of the 5 Redwolfs I have not one has caused me a single issue!

As much a I do like my FX's I hate the FX mag! it's not a patch on the Daystate mag IMO.

I have seen mention of RW being regulated. Was told that is not the case. With each magazine fired. Ave speed will drop a little. After about 25 shots on Hi Power. Get low pressure warning on screen. Mine was set by factory for 33.95 beast. Getting 925 ave and little over 2 mags per charge. Need to sort pellets for weight though. Mine is 22 cal HP. Un weigh sorted pellets only group about 2" @ 50 yds 

My RW is a standard power .22, so I'm not sure I can help. But it sounds like you have a tuning issue, or maybe a leak. And no, there is no mechanical regulator in your rifle. Under good conditions, it should average near half inch groups at 50 yards.

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I have a Crown gen 1 with both .177 and .22 calibers - both with 600 mm barrels.
and last year I bought a Redwolf .177 HP - I made my own 3d printed Magz so I have no issues with magz. on the redwolf.

My Crown is accurate with pellets in both calibers but in 1.77 not at long distance with heavy pellets OK with Slugs.
The Annoying thing with the Crown is that you have to remove the stock to change the small screw when changing from garden to heavy slugs.
It is far more pellets fuzzy than my redwolf.
In 22. the power is too on the limit. You have to max. it out in pressure and hammer stroke. 
I can get max. 930-940 fps with JSB Knockouts in .22.
I tested in wind and got surprised that my Crown was less accurate at 110 yards with JSB Knockouts in .22 shooting 900 fps, than my Redwolf with .177 13.43 Knockouts slugs shooting at 1000 fps.
Both liners in my Crown is Superior liners.

I must comment that i Changed the main board in my Redwolf to a Heliboard. 
With the org. electronic board the Redwolf was good with JSB Beast in High power, but I was not getting the accuracy with low and medium programs.
With the Heliboard I have made my own program for each pellets and slugs. It takes 10 seconds to change from garden shooter to 30 fpe slugshooter.
And nothing to adjust and remember.
My Redwolf as it is with the heliboard, is the most accurate by far when it is for shooting longer distances. 
Redwolf HP with Heliboard is a beast of a powerhouse with accuracy.

Another thing is the rifle stock and the mechanics is more steady.
When shooting of a bipod mounted on a 3d printed bottle holder you can move the Redwolf and shoot again without POI changes. Shooting the Redwolf is very forgiving.

With the Crown i fitted a Picatinny at the stock. 
When I move from one target to another I must remember to lift and set the bipod down again in order to avoid POI changes.
I tried to use a 3d Printed Bottle holder but that only was much worse.

Shooting in the garden at home my Crown is very good at 30 yards but not very flexible if I decide to shoot slugs.

If I could only keep one - The Redwolf at anytime. But only with the Heliboard - Daystate has been sleeping big time with their software on the redwolf and Pulsar.

Claus 

I have the Crown mkll .30 and it's a blast . Most accurate gun I have at 100 yds, but the RW .22 hp is on my bucket list.

I own 2 Crowns (.22 Continuum and .25 Synthetic) and thought about a Redwolf before buying them. If I bought a Redwolf, I knew I would want a Heliboard, but doing so voids the warrranty, so Crown it is. Luckily my .22 Continuum shoots the 18.1gr pellets and 20.2gr NSA slugs equally well, even out of the 380mm barrel, albeit not the slugs at high velocity. The Crown is a pain to macro adjust with de-stocking required. It would be nice if FX put a wheel adjuster with a cutout in the stock on the next generation. If you do not frequently change projectiles it's not a big deal. There are factory parts available to increase the power of the Crown if desired. The RW in stock form is limited to 3 power settings, and the Heliboard voids the warranty. If Daystate was smart, they'd license the Heliboard from the maker, he's doing a better job than they are. I will address the 600 pound gorilla in the room, which is the cost of a RW with Heliboard vs an FX Crown. Made the Crown look pretty good to me.

I own 2 Crowns (.22 Continuum and .25 Synthetic) and thought about a Redwolf before buying them. If I bought a Redwolf, I knew I would want a Heliboard, but doing so voids the warrranty, so Crown it is. Luckily my .22 Continuum shoots the 18.1gr pellets and 20.2gr NSA slugs equally well, even out of the 380mm barrel, albeit not the slugs at high velocity. The Crown is a pain to macro adjust with de-stocking required. It would be nice if FX put a wheel adjuster with a cutout in the stock on the next generation. If you do not frequently change projectiles it's not a big deal. There are factory parts available to increase the power of the Crown if desired. The RW in stock form is limited to 3 power settings, and the Heliboard voids the warranty. If Daystate was smart, they'd license the Heliboard from the maker, he's doing a better job than they are. I will address the 600 pound gorilla in the room, which is the cost of a RW with Heliboard vs an FX Crown. Made the Crown look pretty good to me.

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Between RW and crown I would pick crown for the reasons above, if I had to spend 2800 dollar on a RW and upgrade with a heli board then might as well go delta wolf. It is completely outdated by DW system and it’s a shame they didn’t also upgrade RW with DW electric/computer system. For the record I have 2 Crowns, was tempted by the RW when they went on sale but could not justify the 3000+ price point plus voiding the warranty on a 2800 dollar gun right off the bat. 

If I could only keep a Crown or a Red Wolf, it would be the Red Wolf.

I love my Crowns, but the level of consistent accuracy I get with my Red Wolfs is just a bit better. And although I have the Daystate programmer, I have not yet found the need for fine tuning my RWs - just find the pellet and setting they like best and shoot. But for easy fine tuning, the Crown's mechanical system gets the edge.

But one loses out just a bit with a mechanical system vs Daystate's electronic system. I haven't found a trigger which I like as much as the ones on the RW. And the lock time on the electronic gun is quicker, so it reduces accuracy deviations from my bad habits on the bench.

I can't agree that the RW is outdated just because it doesn't provide the same levels of electronic control as the Delta/Alpha Wolf. But I may be different from many. To me nothing is outdated or obsolete until it cannot do what you want it to do. And my RW's do everything I want them to do (they are all GC2 models). Going in with that attitude, I tend to buy technology (including air guns) on the downward slope of the technology AND price curve. And as such, I have recently bought like new RWs, with warranty from AoA, for under $2,000. They are walnut stocked, but that is actually my preference. So a used RW which may have more of its original warranty left as compared to a brand new Crown, for approximately the same dollars. Not a fair comparison to many (used vs new), but it works for me.

My bad experience with the Delta Wolf .30 made me quickly appreciate a mechanical gun that I can tune, versus an electronic gun with faulty software that I cannot.

I had a Red Wolf, shot my buddies FX Impact. Fell in love with the impact, needless to say I sold off my Red Wolf, will maybe get an impact. The impact is amazing, 50 yard groups were so easy to shoot within 1/2” 1/4”. 

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