FX 400 or Daystate Renegade

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    Raptaman
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    Which one would you go for. I have been looking for a year now, reading all the forums, youtube, reviews and chats and I have narrowed it down to the two rifles. I am using it for hunting and no target shooting other than sighting in. Only shooting out to max 75 yards. It will be in .177. It is my first PCP and I have not had any experiance with a PCP before. I will only be ordering one of them in August so there is plenty of time. The only difference in price is the Renegade is $200.00 extra to install the Huggett Shroud. I am also waiting for the Athlon Ares 2.5-15×50 to come out next month which I will be installing on one of them. I have read such an amazing amount of useful tips and ideas from you guys So come on Guys which one would you choose and why. 

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    aa_limited
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    hard to say  but the royal has the power adjuster. therfore makeing the royal a much more all around gun.

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    Cliff_Allen
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    They are likely both equally reliable

    The renegade is much prettier if you like tube guns and gorgeous stocks. 

    The Royale has more performance features such as the power adjuster mentioned above. More importantly it is regulated which makes for more consistent long range accuracy. Also FX has the butter smooth side wheel rather than a bolt action but that is kind of a preference. I’ve had both Daystate and BSA with a bolt and I greatly prefer the effortless side cocking on the FX guns. 

    They’re both really nice guns at the end of the day. If the performance features of the Royale didn’t matter to me, most importantly the regulator and the side lever, I would probably choose the Daystate based on looks.

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    A2ZBen
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    IMO Daystate is more accurate in .177 if you where buying 22 I would say the 400.  I have bought 2 of them GREAT guns both in .22. I have a .177 Wolverine B-Hilte that is a little over 1 yr old it is an awesome awesome gun. I have more than 50k rounds threw it and have worn out the bolt which AOA warrantied no questions. So I would say if you are definitely buying .177 caliber go DAYSTATE.!!!!!!!

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    douger
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    Daystate cant beat the warranty 3 years   

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    Raptaman
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    I like the cocking action on the 400. The cocking action on the Renegade being so far back looks uncomfortable. I am not worried about the power wheel adjustment as it will be on full power all the time. I like the look of the Renegade even though it is heavier. The 3 year warranty is a big plus. Any one else had experience with either of the above. I would like to have your input thanks.

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    Deja
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    Big question here is why a .177? makes it a strange decision for hunting.

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    Raptaman
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    Here, we are restricted to .177 anything bigger requires a gun licence, expensive and needs to be renewed every 5 years. 

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    Hearkens
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    My friend and I each have the Royale in 177 and 22. The 177 Royales are extremely accurate with JSB 10.3 grain pellets on medium or high power. I shot starlings with it out to 84 yards last week. 50 yard five shot groups range from .35″- .6″ in both our guns.  We both shoot on medium power because We get about 200 (that’s an estimate) shots per fill and because We don’t want to penetrate farm roofs when hunting pigeons.  I’m shooting the 10.3’s at 775 with very little sound.
    its incredible accuracy, easy cocking, light weight, extreme quietness make it a joy to hunt with! 

    3 weeks ago we shot 201 pigeons ( and many starlings)  in a 3 hour stretch at a huge dairy farm in Idaho. We were 3 hours from home and had forgotten to bring the air tank… but never ran out! :  )

     

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    Birdo
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    They don’t seem like comparable models other than price.  The FX looks better to me, but that’s a styling opinion.

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    aa_limited
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    the renagde will have the better trigger trust me

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    Raptaman
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    Hearkens
    Wow you can’t ignore that kind of shot count out of the 400, thank you.
    aa_limited
    I belive the electronic trigger is fantastic, thank you

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    Sam63
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    A couple of posts on AGN where guys are not happy with the scope rail on the Renegade. One guy posted he was getting POI changes constantly. The front part of the rail sits on the barrel/shroud. Do a google search. 

    The Harper valve is efficient but not as good as a regulator. FX uses ST barrels know to be accurate with JSB’s and not much else. The Renegade has an LW barrel that will be accurate with JSB’s and other pellet brands. If I were choosing it would be the FX 400. 

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    “Sam63”A couple of posts on AGN where guys are not happy with the scope rail on the Renegade. One guy posted he was getting POI changes constantly. The front part of the rail sits on the barrel/shroud. Do a google search. 

    The Harper valve is efficient but not as good as a regulator. FX uses ST barrels know to be accurate with JSB’s and not much else. The Renegade has an LW barrel that will be accurate with JSB’s and other pellet brands. If I were choosing it would be the FX 400. 

    I own a .22 FX independence and a .22 FX Royale 400 and they both shoot many different brands of pellets very well.  About the only brand/type of pellet I have found that they do not like are wadcutters, of all brands.  I cannot get wadcutters to shoot from these rifles with  any degree of accuracy.  I keep reading on air gun forums where FX rifles shoot only one brand of pellet well, but I have found the exact opposite to be true.
     

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    Raptaman
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    Thank you Guys, some very interesting points to consider. Luckily we mainly get JSB’s here so that is not a problem.

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    Raptaman
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    “Hearkens”My friend and I each have the Royale in 177 and 22. The 177 Royales are extremely accurate with JSB 10.3 grain pellets on medium or high power. I shot starlings with it out to 84 yards last week. 50 yard five shot groups range from .35″- .6″ in both our guns.  We both shoot on medium power because We get about 200 (that’s an estimate) shots per fill and because We don’t want to penetrate farm roofs when hunting pigeons.  I’m shooting the 10.3’s at 775 with very little sound.
    its incredible accuracy, easy cocking, light weight, extreme quietness make it a joy to hunt with! 

    3 weeks ago we shot 201 pigeons ( and many starlings)  in a 3 hour stretch at a huge dairy farm in Idaho. We were 3 hours from home and had forgotten to bring the air tank… but never ran out! :  )

     

    
Hearkens, what scope and mounts are you and your friend using on your 400’s.

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    Sam63
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    Have you thought of an Air Wolf? If 177 was going to be my main gun due to restrictions I would want as much power as possible. A custom board being sold for Daystates that will bring the power up to 25 – 26 fpe with heavier 177 pellets. There is a huge difference in a 18 – 19 fpe gun compared to 25 – 26 fpe.

    At 25 – 26 fpe you will be able to reach out further for hunting, plinking or shooting paper. Im not sure but the seller probably sells a board that works for the Pulsar. After installing the board my 177 Air Wolf was shooting 7 -8 fpe on low and 26 fpe on high with no other modifications.

    Link for the board.
     http://www.ebay.com/itm/Daystate-mk4IS-mk4-IS-Airwolf-MCT-electronic-board-/222403850041?hash=item33c84d6f39:g:hs8AAOSw-W5Us~tg

    A couple of videos of the 177 Air Wolf . 

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    Raptaman
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    Thank you Sam63. I will defiantly have a look at it, but it will also be an extra cost. 

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    Sam63
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    Agree the cost will be considerably more. If it were me I would save more money before buying. I have very accurate 177’s shooting 19 – 20 fpe that shoot steady 1/2 inch groups at 50 yards. After 60 yards groups open up in any type of wind.

    From 1st hand experience 25 -26 fpe with heavy(13+ grain) 177 pellets will stay stable at longer distances(60 – 65 yards). The power difference from 19 – 20 fpe to 25 – 26 fpe is huge. Much more noticeable than going from 25 to 30 fpe or 30 to 35 fpe.

    That said I would be very happy with an FX 400 or Renegade. 

       

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    Raptaman
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    I have been looking at the Air Wolf reviews and they are very impressive. I do like the idea of shooting the 13 grain JSB at higher velocities, makes sense. What scope and mounts are you using on your Air Wolf Sam63?

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