FWB 124 & 127

WOW, so you now think FWB the maker of the rifle made a mistake being given the exact SN. Is that the reason you want pictures is simply try to prove me and or FWB wrong? I think I'll take FWB's response !

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It was never my intention to prove anyone wrong but rather determine what is fact or misinformation. I am guilty myself, as are most of us, of unknowingly repeating misinformation(non-fact) over the years. 

I guarantee these are Walnut. Top four are all from 1983. King Bee....who knows? Lol

Kingfisher those are absolutely beautiful. By chance do any of the butt pads have Beeman embossed on them? 

WC

No sir.

Mercy John, 

Absolutely gorgeous, I never tire seeing walnut FWB'S!

Have it be told, I really would like to have it turn out for Mike's fwb to be walnut. Would set a new president to a rarity of the fwb sports, now if only the history of this rifle could be told!

Cheers

Thanks Houli. I'm with you. I don't doubt Mike. I still think it could be a special order Walnut. Check out this pic from a very early Beeman Catalog. You could order the Standard in Walnut just like Mike's 124S.

Also in the Dealers book.

To me that ad indicates you can order a custom stock checkered or not. It would also have included Monte Carlo cheek, HW trigger guard and wooden grip cap. So basically it would look like your King Bee without checkering. 

Matt

You know better than I for sure. But maybe they just wanted it to be a plain version and requested none of the add ons. Long shot, but maybe. 

Furthermore, why would Feinwerkbau lie to Mike? I'm just being the Devils Advocate. 

John

I don't think anyone is lying. I'll just say that the original topic of this post was about JNC marked FWB 124's and 127's. Dr. Beeman stated that only 20 124's exist. I happen to know for a fact that number is incorrect. I was keeping track of serial numbers for a while. I stopped when it was clear that more than 20 existed. That was over ten years ago. I've attended the Pacific airgun expo 5 times and JNC marked guns have been at every show and most guys didn't even realize the stamping error until I showed them. I check gunbroker and ebay often. When sellers include good pics of the stamp, I always check. I've seen it quite a few times.

So, Dr. Beeman was clearly wrong and who would know better. Could Feinwerkbau be wrong? Maybe.

I've been researching and collecting these FWB's for awhile. I got to know a fellow named Bob Newman of Air Venture airgun store in Bellflower Ca. He was an early Dealer and purchaser of Beeman products. The only walnut stocks he was ever able to order were the Factory deluxe or Custom shaped models like your King Bee or my Queen Bee. I'll admit that Bob could have been wrong.

Feinwerkbau is now claiming that the Standard stock was available in walnut and Mike has an Email to verify it. I guess I'll have to be on the look out for one now!

Matt

You're a class act! Sure would love to see the Queen Bee. Lol

JC

Queen Bee




And a couple of walnut Deluxe 

Matt

Thank you so much for sharing. What caliber is the QB? That coloration on the stock is amazing!

Those Factory Walnuts were my inspiration to find mine. Beautiful! !!

JC

Thanks. It’s a .177. 


Yes, you have cornered the market on the factory walnut stocks! I feel like I should apologize for my part in that!

Now Matt.... I feel a bit guilty.... but not very. Those Factory Walnuts seemed to have gone through the roof in price. I'm just lucky to have found the ones I have. Heck, I bought one of them sight unseen and had no clue it was a walnut until I opened up the box it came in. Another was on GB for 2 months and noone bought it. The guy lived a short drive from me so I went to see it. I wasn't even sure it was Walnut until I got it home and removed the recoil pad. I was pleasantly surprised.

In so far as JNC models, I agree with you. Definitely more than 20. However, the 127 JNC is a rare bird. Mike''s is definitely special. I only have 1 JNC 124 but have owned and sold over a dozen.

Thanks again for your time and effort to show us some gorgeous FWBs. 

JC

Also in the Dealers book.

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My fault that this thread went off track a bit. I love these rifles no matter what type wood. Wore the pages out of the Beeman Catalogs back in the day drooling over all the FWB's I could not afford. Unfortunately lost or misplaced them over the years.

The 7360 Walnut offering in your post possibly describes one I have. It may be a Custom Stock Walnut Smooth 124. Looks like a smooth version of "Queen Bee". Not sure. Very recently posted photos on another forum, currently waiting for replies. Guess I could start a new thread on this forum or post pics of it here if nobody minds. Would like to have it identified.

Agreed, a JNC 127 is about the rarest of all. Mike’s JNC 127 is only the second one I’ve heard of. I was actually bidding for it on EBay. I didn’t realize it was a JNC 127 or it might have gotten ugly! I’m glad it went to a good home.

Matt

Maybe someone changed the stock? Here's an add from the Spring 1983 Beeman catalog showing that the Standard was indeed offered in walnut? I think I was right all along. ....unless you're conclusion that it's Beech is correct. Lol

I'm still not seeing a standard walnut offered. The production stocks offered in walnut are indicated by catalog numbers with the W for walnut. 1111W and 1121W are walnut and 1115 and 1125 are not. That's how I read it, but again, I could be wrong.