Focus rangfinding at 16x

I started a similar topic recently and wound up going with a Sightron SIII 10x-50X. It is built for field target and comes standard with a 5 inch wheel. The older models don’t have the16X marking, but the newer models do. They came out with a couple of new reticles for 2019, so if you get one of those, it should have the 16x mark. And Sightron told me if mine arrived without the 16X line, they would engrave it for free, but that may only apply to the new reticle scopes. Mine arrived with the 16x mark.

Of course, if you want to range past 55 yards ...
 
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Optisan EVX 4-16x44 is a very good scope. ( "I" is the 2nd FP and the "F1" is the 1st FP ) clear glass and excellent reticle. range finds very well at 16X tho rotation of SF wheel is rather short compared to the older and better ranging MTC/Optisan VIPER 4-16x50's ( Obsolete now) tho may have luck finding one used ?

either way, get a BIG wheel or *Comma/Nautilus profile wheel for it.



stay away from AEON or ATHILON scopes ... great glass but accurately and repeatably range horrible.



JMO ... as a FT shooter.



Scott S
 
Thanks everyone. I know this topic comes up often and gets pounded hard when it does. Since I started shooting H I've only used big 10-50x60 scopes dialed down to 16x. After talking to some accomplished shooters I'm thinking more about trying a lower mag. scope in hope of getting better range separation at 40+. Still trying to narrow the search. Uj
 
IMO - If you have a 10-50x60 scope you are at the pinnacle of what you can get for range finding at either 16x or 50x. In my research, the focal length (roughly the length from the objective to the elevation knob) determines range finding ability (fine focus) and the objective diameter determines the depth of field (zone at which the target appears in focus). So the longer/bigger scope you have, the better it will range, provided you set it up correctly and it has clear glass. The proper setup technique is described here:

A-Team Parallax Setup Don't skip this step or you may wind up with parallax errors that you don't notice which WILL cause errors. 

One down-side to long focal length, is that I believe it is easier to get parallax errors. That is, you can be off a little, and it will make a difference on the target.

One other factor, is the rotation on the side focus knob. Some are only 120 deg, some are 225 deg, some are even more. The more rotation, the easier it is to be accurate on small knob or large wheel.

I have a bunch of scopes (too many to admit to SO), many bought on super sale - here is my take (in order of preference):

  • Athlon Midas SFP 2.5-15x50 FL 165mm 120 deg rotation. Awesome clarity. Reticle is perfect for HFT 0.2 mil gradations. I am currently using this on my and my daughter's setup and seem to keep coming back to them. The clarity really makes the target pop and easy to focus. I have never had a problem range finding, just shooter error (or the wind). Need a comma-style focus wheel
  • Bushnell Nitro FFP 6-24x50 - FL 178mm, 225deg rot. Currently in testing - not sure if it will hold up to a springer. Good scope, but not through paces yet. Mostly 1 MOA gradations, except near cross/dot where it is frustratingly 3 MOA. Great clarity, but very fine reticle - hard to see in dark areas. Was on super sale at Midway.
  • Bushnell Engage SFP 6-24x50 - FL 173mm 190 deg rotation. Currently in testing, Good scope, but not through paces yet. 1 MOA gradations - great for HFT. Great clarity, but very fine reticle - hard to see in dark areas. Was on super sale at Bass Pro
  • Bushnell Engage SFP 4-16x44 - FL 172mm 170 deg rotation. Currently in testing,Good scope, but not through paces yet. 1 MOA gradations - great for HFT. Great clarity, but very fine reticle - hard to see in dark areas. Getting parallax errors for some reason. Was on super sale at Bass Pro
  • Athlon Talos SFP 6-24x50 157mm 250 deg rotation. Ok optics, a bit dark, not FFP, but good range finding. 
  • Athlon Talos BTR FFP 4-14x44 FL 157mm, 190 deg rotation. Good optics, thicker than I like reticle. Reticle gradation 0.2 mil - makes holdover easy. Awesome warranty. I won 2016 AAFTA HFT (Piston) with this one, but I think with the 16x in HFT now there are better scopes. Going on silhouette or hunting gun.
  • Athon Argos BTR FFP 6-24x50 FL 149mm 170 deg Rotation, Great optics, can get a finer MOA reticle for more holdover points. Does not range find as well as others.
  • Vortex Diamondback FFP 6-24x50 FL 146mm 120 deg rotation. Very clear optics, solid scope, just probably not for HFT
  • Hawke Airmax SFP 6-24x50 - FL 192mm 170 deg rotation, Great features (scope caps, side wheel, reticle), but very so-so optics. I have a hard time range finding well on this one, maybe due to the less than great optics. Currently don't use - which says enough.
  • Hawke Airmax SFP 4-16x50 - Shipping 2 of these back to Hawke, just can't get a good focus. Range finding is nothing, if you can't get focus. Replaced one already with another problem one. Not sure if I would try another Hawke scope in the future based on my experience. Working with Hawke to see what the issue is, I hope that I can resolve these or maybe step up to a better scope. In the end, I would recommend staying away from these.
  • Aeon SFP 6-24x50 FL 134mm 225 deg rotation. Not springer rated. Optics clear, but distorted on edges. Good reticle, not really used anymore. NO WARRANTY

Probably should put this in a table.

What's my take on all of this - I probably should have stepped up to the plate with a SIII 10-50x60 in the first place and saved money in the end. There is no shortcut to good equipment...

Dan


 
Bobby,

So what are you shooting at LD's 16x 32x

Hi Ron,

Haven't decided yet . I have 4 Korean rifles that will reach out that far pretty competitively so I'm kind of preoccupied in testing them. Wouldn't mind using my 4200 24x but the elevation range isn't too large and they are duplex reticles. The others I have to choose from are much heavier and less clear. I have a 16x Aeon that I'm using to test a Sumatra 20 that's actually pretty nice. May use it. The Sumatra has moments of absolute brilliance but not steady enough yet. My old C707 is so difficult to beat, it will likely be the one.

See you there ,

Bobby