First thing I noticed on the Hatsan Galation QE 22 caliber

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NeilClague

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When the gun arrived I opened up the package and quite like the look and feel of the gun, now as to the sound, I did not find the report that obnoxious, But I did find the holes through the baffles and through the end cap extremely large for a 22 caliber air gun, the end cap was about .400 much larger than needed for a 22 caliber. So the first order of business is to blank off the bore hole and bore it to the correct size, I am also replacing the baffles with new ones with smaller holes. When this is all done I will then try the gun and see if the report is any quieter. I have ordered a die, hopefully the right size to make a new end cap and enable me to make an attachment for the gun. I will edit this post and add the results to the changes as soon as I have finished the work on the bore holes, It may just be the only changes that are needed to make the report more acceptable, Neil.

First of all the end cap hole was way too big, the filler plug shows about 1/8th inch of aluminum all the way around the original hole, the same with the internal baffles. The gun is slightly quieter to the ear but for those who have the need for just hammer slap I think a small moderator will be needed. As the Galation is now, it is plenty quiet enough for shooting in my back yard, so for some of you just changing the holes size might be enough of a fix, for others something additional will be needed, Neil.
 
First of all the end cap hole was way too big, the filler plug shows about 1/8th inch of aluminum all the way around the original hole, the same with the internal baffles. The gun is slightly quieter to the ear but for those who have the need for just hammer slap I think a small moderator will be needed. As the Galation is now, it is plenty quiet enough for shooting in my back yard, so for some of you just changing the holes size might be enough of a fix, for others something additional will be needed, Neil.
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I noticed the end caps are the same for all calibers. I have a 22, 25 and 30 cal Hatsan QE and the shrouds are the same in all caliber models. After you finish I will be interested in seeing what the results are and getting some of the modified caps, baffles, etc. 
 
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Maybe they were made like that for ease of production, the only thing that concerns me is, were they made like this because they experienced clipping problems with smaller bores? I will do some testing tomorrow now I have a scope on the gun and see if there are any clipping problems, if not then I see no reason for such large bore holes. I hope that it is just a simple matter of replacing the baffles to make the report more acceptable to owners, will post more as soon as testing is finished, Neil.
 
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"Cookie"With the non QE Hatsan AT44 & BT65's, when I take off the barrel and attach a moderator and then point it to the sky....I often notice that the exit hole of the moderator is not concentric with the barrel. have had to send off a few barrels for rethreading, but some bores are off centre. 


Have seen this myself and read of others experiencing the same. Sounds like QC is the reason for the QE's parts being made as such.
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Further point:

I have attached moderators to Hatsan barrels that have/have not been rethreaded, then rolled the barrel over a level table and watched the moderator's (which itself is hanging over the edge of the table) movement against a black mark on the wall. I have found that you can have a moderator fixed to an (outwardly) perfectly straight barrel and yet the bore is so off-centre that you need to have an exit hole of around 10mm/.40 inch (the universal Hatsan size of moderator exit hole) exit hole to NORMALLY avoid clipping with a .25 cal.

Obviously, such is not satisfactory. 

Because the gunsmith a use to cut moderator threads will not, unsurprisingly, cut in line with a off-centre bore ......and because most people with Hatsans do not want to spend a lot of money on them.....I have found the cheapest option is to either bend a moderator to fit that rifle alone or ......make the face/ring (against which the moderator would be pressured against) wonky in order that the moderator would sit in line with the wonky bore.

I am in the UK, have not seen any QE rifles, but most Hatsan problems have been due to poor workmanship, carelessness and poor design. Some of them can be wrapped up with the title of Quality Control Issues. I wouldn't recommend a Hatsan to an inexperienced person, but I would to someone who likes to work/improve/tinker with air rifles. 
 
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Cookie that does not mean the bore is off center, that could easily mean that the threads and the LDC have not been made accurately and aligned properly. I have been making LDC's for Hatsans for over 4 years now and have had very few problems with them with clipping. You are always going to get the odd one that clips, because the bore is not dead center, or maybe because of a slight inaccuracy making it, but the test you did only shows there could be a problem with the barrel threads, or the LDC itself. I have 4 Hatsans now and do not have any issues with them clipping. So you do need to be careful assigning blame to the gun when it might lie elsewhere, Neil.
 
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"With the non QE Hatsan AT44 & BT65’s, when I take off the barrel and attach a moderator and then point it to the sky….I often notice that the exit hole of the moderator is not concentric with the barrel. have had to send off a few barrels for rethreading, but some bores are off centre." 


You can not tell if there are alignment issues by using your eyes. I had one very well known tuner swear blind my shroud baffles were not aligned correctly and he told me he was an engineer and knew what he was talking about. It turned out he had not got the barrel through the front alignment spacer, once he followed my instructions he got back to me and apologized, it was perfect and no clipping problems. Your eyes are just not accurate enough to make judgments like this. I often think things look wrong when looking at them by eye, but when I use a straight edge or use tools to measure, the parts are actually dead on, eyesight can just not be trusted for things like this, Neil.
 
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Cookie that's fine, you can eyeball all you want, but the eyes can not give a true indication of accuracy, it is a known fact that one eye is stronger than the other in every person, some the left, some the right and this can throw off the perspective of what you are seeing. I would always look over something visually before I ship it, but I would never rely on eyesight to decide if something was dead nuts on, that needs to be checked on a lathe and with the correct tools. If you had mentioned the other tests I would not have bothered responding, but just rolling a barrel with an LDC on it does not show the bore of a barrel to be off center, All the best, Neil.
 
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After further testing I went back to the original baffles after I could not hit the 18 inch board at 50 yards, re-installed the originals and the same thing, thought I might have bought a lemon. Installed a different scope and rings and now it is getting dime size groups at 50 yards. It has been way too hot to go back and try the new baffles, it was 107 here yesterday and the same again today, just way too hot for this old Brit to stay out there for long, The Galatian has the same accuracy I have been used to getting with my Pneuma's and Hatsans, The only thing I have to work on when I have some time are the triggers, the pull is pretty heavy on them so a bit of adjustment and some polishing is in order, with a nicer trigger they will be excellent guns, especially given their price point. Neil.


Do any Galatian owners know what the correct ring types are for this gun, they are not the usual dovetail size and the booklet says they are not true weaver grooves?
 
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