First target shooting with Vulcan

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    Zoey
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    Looking for some honest thoughts on my first outing at the indoor range with my Vulcan 5,5. Scope and gun are new, and needed to be sighted in. The range is limited to 25 meters, and I was shooting off of the Atlas bi-pod without rear rest, and from a standing position. Pellets were unsorted JSB Exact Jumbo Heavy 1,175g/18.1gr.

    I stuck a dime to the paper for reference size. 1st dot of the second row was a double-load (newbie mistake).

    I’ll tell you, after about 50 pellets, and getting used to the guy next to me firing his Desert Eagle (darn near shart my pants every time he pulled the trigger), I found it to be rather enjoyable. Being my first time punching paper, I never would have thought this to be so relaxing/therapeutic.

    I was the first ever PCP shooter to go to this range. After a short discussion about the gun, and how to accommodate the need for a SCBA, I was on the range. I brought up my concern about having a high-pressure cylinder behind the firing range, and I think they appreciated that. Kind words, a safety conscious attitude, and being pleasant still seems to go a long way. I even swept up everyone’s casings after I finished shooting. 

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    CampFussell
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    Nice shooting Zoey. I’ve been in an indoors gun range with my airguns once. Too dang loud for this fat boy 😉
    Looks like a keeper 😉

    Jimmy

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    Percula
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    Looks good especially for not having a rear bag/rest! I’ll bet with a rear bag you’ll be even closer.

    The public range I practice at… If its not the 308 AR trying to set a new speed record for unloading a 30 round mag, nothing like a muzzle blast that knocks your POA off, or its someone spraying hot brass on me, or someone trying to pick up their brass from under my table… Then this weekend one range safety officer that always has something to bust my balls over. First it was that my Thomas didn’t have its “bolt” locked back during a cease fire… only problem the Thomas doesn’t have a bolt, then it was that my magazine was still in place… the Thomas doesn’t have a magazine… then it was having a SCBA tank anywhere near a bullet… Now keep in mind I’ve never had a run in with this guy and he has seen my Thomas MANY times before. So I talked to his manager, now he just gives me the stink eye every time he sees me.

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    Ginuwine1969
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    Yeah, STANDING, using a bi pod not a tripod, you did a great job.

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    Zoey
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    I really need to get some proper ear protection if I continue to go to the indoor range!

    One thing I noticed is that if the person shooting next to me was jostling around, it would ever-so-slightly shake my lane rest, so I had to wait for them to settle down before pulling the trigger. I should look into getting a rear bag. On one hand, I’m sure it would increase my accuracy, but on the other, shooting without it makes it more challenging. Unfortunately, I think the range I shot at caters more to the handgun crowd as there really wasn’t an area to put a rear bag.

    A good thing about the range is that people don’t usually shoot for very long. I don’t know what a round for a Desert Eagle runs, but based upon the number of bowel-shaking reports I felt, it must have been a lot. After spending around 5+ hours at the range, and shooting around 400 pellets, I walked out with a total bill (including ammo) of around $24. Made me giggle inside.

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    Percula
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    Pick up some foam ear plugs and a good quality pair of noise canceling muffs. With both of them only the most massive of blasts will bother you.

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    Zoey
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    Funny that you mention this as I was just looking at some electronic ear protection. A few issues I see, and certainly may very well be unfounded, are:

    ~ Will muffs get in the way of a good cheek weld, especially on a bullpup with (for all practical purposes) no “real” cheek piece?
    ~ Many foam type in-ear plugs are actually rated higher in terms of ear protection than moderately priced muffs.
    ~ Will muffs be compromised by eye protection?

    It looks like each has its advantages/disadvantages?

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    Percula
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    Here are the ones I got from Amazon (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001T7QJ9O/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1) (keep an eye on the “new and used from …” page for these. People buy them, use them once and send them back. I got two pair right after Christmas for <$30 each.

    They can interfere with cheek weld, on my Ruger 10/22 I have a high cheek piece and I know my cheek position is “just right” when the muff frame touches it, lol. YMMV.

    If you can work with a pair and not screw up your cheek weld, they are very much worth it. Using both the foam ear plugs plus the muffs really knocks the blasts down to something you can stand to be around all day.

    The only thing I would note on muffs and eye gear, is they will press your ears against your head and glasses, so you’re not going to easily move ear wear with them on. I don’t have issues with my glasses and my muffs at all.

    Its really not a one or the other, its a both kinda thing :)

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    Zoey
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    Once again, we are on the exact same page! I was trying to decide between the Howard Leight’s and my other choice, Walker’s.
    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01AAGVWJG/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=2BUKGBS8MPNQ4&coliid=I2T1N0T6O0CERQ&psc=1

    Low and behold, in the “New and Used” area, there is a pair being sold by Amazon Warehouse, which I’m assuming is from a return. Excellent suggestion! I never thought to even look there!

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    Percula
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    Exactly, from the warehouse, one of the packages had a cut in the plastic shell about 2″ long, its like someone bought them, started to open them, found it too difficult, gave up and returned them, lol.

    I like the HL’s because they are thin and less likely to interfere with the cheek weld.

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    sharroff
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    When I shooting on a firearm range, I favor the Clear Armor 34db muffs: https://www.amazon.com/Protection-Professional-Folding-Padded-Comfortable-Satisfaction/dp/B00NKSMPZW/

    If you are shooting indoor / in house or woods walking and want to quiet down the crack of your air rifle, these are great : https://www.amazon.com/Howard-Leight-Impact-Electric-Earmuff/dp/B001T7QJ9O

     

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    Zoey
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    Thanks for the suggestions. I was at the range tonight and borrowed a pair of ear pro just like the type you suggested in your first link. They were a definite no-go. I couldn’t get a cheek weld whatsoever.

    The problem is that I’ve got my scope pretty darn low for a bullpup, and there’s no “real” cheek rest, so my face is basically planted on the breech. This affords me no room for larger profile ear protection. I’m hoping to borrow some low-profile muffs, like the Howard Leight’s, to see if they might work. If not, I guess I’ll be sticking with foam plugs. 

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    Deja
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    I brought up my concern about having a high-pressure cylinder behind the firing range, and I think they appreciated that. Kind words, a safety conscious attitude, 

    
I think most ppl highly overate the danger with scuba tanks. They wont break. I doubt normal ammo would ever pen it. maybe armour piercing but who uses that at a range? Sure you could maybe get it to leak from the top if you hit it with a sledge hammer. It wont explode from that tho, just leak out the air. 22 plinkster had to use a 308 to puncture the carbon fibre alu tanks. Normal steel tanks would be even harder to puncture and they dont rupture.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_El-4k7xds

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    unionrdr
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    Yeah, Zoey, I had pretty much the same problems at the new indoor range here. With my NRR 22 Caldwell headset, they only seemed to take the sharp edge off the pistol reports next to me. And the guy in lane one (I was in lane 8) shook my ribs with the AR he was shooting. I shot some 30 pellets in an hour or so, dropped a couple. Combined with one large paper target to stick my Shoot-N-C target too, it cost me all of $18.99. $15 per day on weekdays here. But that 11″ wide bench rest sucks. Bar stools they had to sit on too high to use my BR bags. So I had to shoot freehand with lumbar & hips hurting from all the walking making my arms shake. So you did a lot better than me. Of course, my rig did need break in/sight in…

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    Zoey
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    The place I’ve been shooting at is really set up for handguns, not rifle fire. The firing line consists of a plastic “table” top bolted to two long support bars spanning the length of 10 firing lanes. Every time anyone jostles the “table” in their lane, it also shakes mine. The “table” is only 25cm deep and around 60cm wide. No room for a rear bag.

    I think I might buy a Bald Eagle shooting rest and fabricate a wood extension to sit atop the gun range’s “table”. Something just large enough for the rest; unobtrusive, and most importantly safe. I don’t want to be on anyone’s (range masters) radar.

    On a side-note, I opened up a new tin of pellets today and noticed that my POI changed. There were a bunch of pellets in this tin with bent skirts. I also *think* that there is a certain pressure range that my gun is most happy to be within. I’m just not quite sure what that is yet. Right after I fill the gun, it will shoot several shots high, then settle down a bit. It seems to become more accurate as the pressure drops. I can’t be sure of this though.

    Well, I’m learning something every day I shoot!

    Here’s my grouping from today. Shot at 25m…same as original shooting. Coin is a dime for size reference. Standard computer paper tears quite easily, so today I bought some 147 g/m2 (67 lb) cardstock to print targets on.

    I know I’m no where near entry level competition material, but I sure am learning a lot, which makes it both fun and frustrating.

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    Zoey
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    Regarding the safety of HP tanks within the range:

    It’s really a neither here-nor-there issue in my case. The owner of the range indicates that he is not sure of the liabilities, and he is unsure of possible insurance issues. At this time, he indicates that the tank(s) must be kept out of the range. As it’s his operation, and his rules, I’m more than happy to abide by them.

    As I am the first and only airgunner at this range, I’m simply pleased that they are making accommodations for me.

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    Percula
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    All things considered Zoey, you are competitive. Put you on a real bench without all the center fire taking place I think most of those shots are 10’s, not that a lot of them already are :)

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    Percula
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    “Zoey”On a side-note, I opened up a new tin of pellets today and noticed that my POI changed. There were a bunch of pellets in this tin with bent skirts. I also *think* that there is a certain pressure range that my gun is most happy to be within. I’m just not quite sure what that is yet. Right after I fill the gun, it will shoot several shots high, then settle down a bit. It seems to become more accurate as the pressure drops. I can’t be sure of this though.

     

    
You need to shoot a string through a chrono. It’s not uncommon to have the first few shots after filling up to vary from the bulk of the shoots you get from a fill. The first few shots tend to be slower than the bulk, then the last few are slower than the bulk. The only way you’ll know is to shoot through the chrono. Once you know, you can adjust your shooting, e.g. the first (5) shots are slow/fast, you shot (5) at the backer/sighters before you even consider shooting for score. Or lets say your first (5) shots are slow/fast, then you get (32) shots that are all about the same speed, then the last (5) shots start dropping off steady. You know to shot (5) at anything but a scoring bull, then can shot (32) shots at sighters or for score before you need to either refill or if you can’t because you are still competing you will need to start doping for slower speeds.

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    Zoey
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    Thank you for the kind words!

    I have watched a few FT shooting videos and noticed that they will dry-fire the gun before actually loading a pellet. Today I did the same thing, but as you can see in the top row of my target, most of the shots were high, and progressively moved downward. May have been me…may have been the new tin of pellets…may have been the refilled gun?? I don’t have the experience to know otherwise. As you said, a chronograph would certainly help to diagnose the problem.

    I wondered why they have so many sighting targets on the World Rimfire and Air Rifle Benchrest targets?

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    Percula
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    “Zoey”I wondered why they have so many sighting targets on the World Rimfire and Air Rifle Benchrest targets?

    
You need them. 

    First you need something to actually site your rifle in to the current conditions. This takes me 6-12 shots. I generally use (2) sighers just to sight in. Then the winds will always be a factor outdoors, so if the wind changes, move to your sighters and see how the wind is effecting your POI, for me this will be 2-6 shots on sighters, unless I’m very confident I know what the switch will do. My rest is a bit funky, I shot left to right, then right to left (zig zag pattern) and so on working my way up the target. It never fails on the far left side after I adjust up, I need to fire a sighter or two to get the natural POA working again.

    Tip: if the wind is blowing right to left, shot the left sighters so you don’t under estimate and put one in a scoring bull, instead it’ll go off the paper if you’re wrong. Reverse it for left to right, shot the right side.

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