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First PCP is a AF Texan LSS .45 cal w/ CF tank; best Scuba tank & round ?

Forums Hunting First PCP is a AF Texan LSS .45 cal w/ CF tank; best Scuba tank & round ?

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    LostinTejas
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    lewis.rothman

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    Try both of the NSA offerings. My Texan is a full size, and shoots both lights out. I use a portable compresses, so no help on the tank.

    I am in between chrono's so can't give you speeds, but it would be different for yours anyway.

    290 should handle most anything but elk. Not sure how it will compare, but BC is a real thing. We'll just have to do our own workup.

    FWIW, the 143 grain balls are a blast and give me a lot of shots. Accurate, and meet minimal Texas energy requirements. Not sure I would want to deer hunt with one, but if coyote hunting, or looking for other vermin and a hog walked out, I wouldn't hesitate.

    Happy hunting

    I just purchased 200 – 350grain & 100 – 195grain NSA hollow points.  I'll have to check out the ball rounds; are they 143 grain ? That seems light; being they are round "ball" does that mean they are not effected by the speed ? I read that some of the lighter pellets loose accuracy because they travel too fast. 

    Never tried the 195's. 290 is very good. <75 yards is pretty flat and I don't need to compensate. The 290's are zero at 25, 50, and an inch low at 75. At 100 they are 12 inches low.

    I haven't taken the 143 balls out past the 50 yard range, but they are using the same zero as the 290's. Balls are a unique customer. They are their own thing. Not bad, and have linear penetration, with some deformity, but not a lot. Kinda hard for me to put into words.

    The 350's? I haven't shot one yet to 100, but need to get out and do that while I can still find them. Not sure If I'll use them for much, but would like to know if they are something I might have interest in.

    Yes, some can lose stability at some speeds, Not sure you will have to worry about that, but something to think about. You can adjust the hammer spring to drop speed a bit if needed.

    How many shots are you able to get out of a tank using the 143 balls ? Do you power it down at 50 yards to get more shots and would you still be able to kill a pig at say 25 – 50yrds and get say 10 to 15 shots ? If I could get that many shots out of one tank with the 143 grain balls, that would solve my need to lug an air tank around with me through the woods, on pig hunts…….. Maybe I should order some of those to plink with. Which brand are you haveing the best luck with ?

    Using 143 grain muzzle loader balls from Midway. Since I don't have a chrono, it is hard to say where things fall off, but they are good to about 10 shots for sure. No "power Down" but all you can do is decrease the hammer spring and the balls seem to fly just fine with my regular settings . Going lighter isn't something to do. I read a lot of decreasing power and speed here, and that is just fine for tuning, especially to the meticulous target shooters. I think it may be misinterpreted. Most adjust things to get best shot volume and performance/accuracy.

    Texans regulate things on their own to a degree, or that is what they ( it says so in the manual) and most of the reviewers will tell you. Great, cheap plinking and varmint ammo. FWIW, I can get 5 good shots with a 290, and the next one drops about 2-4 inches at 50 yards. I can only go to 3600 PSI in my version of Texan.

    Turning anything "down" isn't the way to go on some animals. Pigs are big, fast, aggressive, and considered by many to be dangerous game. I'd shoot one with a ball for sure, but it would have to be on my terms. Distance, size of the animal, and the shot offered would play a big part. Knowing exactly where to hit them and being able to hit the spot go a long way.

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    Air will be a major concern, most if not all vids show someone shooting tethered. A 3000 psi standard tank got me 3 shots. The gauge went something like 3000, 2600, 2150 give or take 50 psi. Leaving the scuba shop with a 4500 psi hot fill settles in around 4200. The first day out shooting 350 gr. that tank got me 9 3 shot volleys. I was not able to do much. Next time I played with the 147 gr. round ball, 2750 fill and 2 consistent shots. Bought the Benjamin 14 cu. ft. tank tried filling that from a Great White, ended up with 2 3400 psi tanks. Shot the .25 regulated Cricket, went 3 for 3 on Woodchucks out to 80 yards. Bought the NSA 100 round sample pack plus a box of the 240's.  Farmer friends looked at me and said "costing you how much for the gun, air, and that can't compete  with a dollar slug and a cheap shotgun". Never tried those slugs, and that was the last unregulated gun I,,'ll own. I thought about the custom valves and carbon tanks, compare the cost to a Slayer.

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    LostinTejas

    lewis.rothman

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    LostinTejas

    Try both of the NSA offerings. My Texan is a full size, and shoots both lights out. I use a portable compresses, so no help on the tank.

    I am in between chrono's so can't give you speeds, but it would be different for yours anyway.

    290 should handle most anything but elk. Not sure how it will compare, but BC is a real thing. We'll just have to do our own workup.

    FWIW, the 143 grain balls are a blast and give me a lot of shots. Accurate, and meet minimal Texas energy requirements. Not sure I would want to deer hunt with one, but if coyote hunting, or looking for other vermin and a hog walked out, I wouldn't hesitate.

    Happy hunting

    I just purchased 200 – 350grain & 100 – 195grain NSA hollow points.  I'll have to check out the ball rounds; are they 143 grain ? That seems light; being they are round "ball" does that mean they are not effected by the speed ? I read that some of the lighter pellets loose accuracy because they travel too fast. 

    Never tried the 195's. 290 is very good. <75 yards is pretty flat and I don't need to compensate. The 290's are zero at 25, 50, and an inch low at 75. At 100 they are 12 inches low.

    I haven't taken the 143 balls out past the 50 yard range, but they are using the same zero as the 290's. Balls are a unique customer. They are their own thing. Not bad, and have linear penetration, with some deformity, but not a lot. Kinda hard for me to put into words.

    The 350's? I haven't shot one yet to 100, but need to get out and do that while I can still find them. Not sure If I'll use them for much, but would like to know if they are something I might have interest in.

    Yes, some can lose stability at some speeds, Not sure you will have to worry about that, but something to think about. You can adjust the hammer spring to drop speed a bit if needed.

    How many shots are you able to get out of a tank using the 143 balls ? Do you power it down at 50 yards to get more shots and would you still be able to kill a pig at say 25 – 50yrds and get say 10 to 15 shots ? If I could get that many shots out of one tank with the 143 grain balls, that would solve my need to lug an air tank around with me through the woods, on pig hunts…….. Maybe I should order some of those to plink with. Which brand are you haveing the best luck with ?

    Using 143 grain muzzle loader balls from Midway. Since I don't have a chrono, it is hard to say where things fall off, but they are good to about 10 shots for sure. No "power Down" but all you can do is decrease the hammer spring and the balls seem to fly just fine with my regular settings . Going lighter isn't something to do. I read a lot of decreasing power and speed here, and that is just fine for tuning, especially to the meticulous target shooters. I think it may be misinterpreted. Most adjust things to get best shot volume and performance/accuracy.

    Texans regulate things on their own to a degree, or that is what they ( it says so in the manual) and most of the reviewers will tell you. Great, cheap plinking and varmint ammo. FWIW, I can get 5 good shots with a 290, and the next one drops about 2-4 inches at 50 yards. I can only go to 3600 PSI in my version of Texan.

    Turning anything "down" isn't the way to go on some animals. Pigs are big, fast, aggressive, and considered by many to be dangerous game. I'd shoot one with a ball for sure, but it would have to be on my terms. Distance, size of the animal, and the shot offered would play a big part. Knowing exactly where to hit them and being able to hit the spot go a long way.

    Thanks for taking the time to share your knowledge. For just starting off, I think I will stay with the 290 & 350 grain. I may shoot a 100 or two getting use to it, but that wont cost me tooooooo much; I ordered 300 all together lol .  I have hunted pig with crossbow and had great success/ shot placement. Most shots from 15' to 25 yards; sighted in at 35 yards and it is fairly strait trajectory from that range. The Texan with give me more range and that ole gun hunting feeling I haven't had since 2005. Thanks again

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    Congrats on the Texan! I am sure you will be pleased. I have a Texan .457 LSS CF. I prefer the Neilson 348g knurled HP and the Mr Hollow Point 415g micros. I have the gun sighted in for both of these slugs using different profiles is the ATN 4K Pro. These slugs shoot best in my gun. Your mileage may vary. I would recommend buying an assortment from both Neilson and MrHollowPoint and trying them at the range at 50 yards minimum. Since you have the CF bottle, I suspect 350g+ is what you will want to use for hunting. As far as tanks, I think you need two CF 4500 psi tanks.  One 18 cu ft for hunting and a 74-100 cu ft for the range. Get DOT approved if you want someone else like scuba shop to refill them.  I doubt you want to lug a large tank into woods. I can get 10-12 shots off the 18 cu ft tank which is more than enough for most hunts with a single shot airgun. If I need more, I would rather carry 2 guppy tanks rather than a large tank but that is because they will both fit in my backpack. 

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    I do not have a Texan but have recently purchased a Yong Heng compressor to refill my 25 caliber Avenger.  I have been using a cheap chinese hand pump to fill it but it takes about 100 pumps to recharge it for another 20 shots or so (just going to 3500 psi and shooting down to the regulator at 2400).  

    If the Texan is not regulated your fill pressure will affect your velocity but also your accuracy.  So you may need to shoot it some to know how high you want to fill it.  It is a much different gun but I do not fill my little Prod higher than 2700 psi even though it will take 3000.  On the original tune I did not fill it above 2500.  Velocity was less at higher fill pressure.

    Anyway, if you are comfortable with an expired SCBA tank, a tank that a dive shop probably won't fill, you can pick up a 45 minute one for well under $100.  I think it is a 66 ft3 tank.  Then you can fill it yourself with a little $300 Yong Heng.  That will be my setup.  I just ordered the tank and fill valve today.  ebay for the tank, Amazon for the fill valve ($65).  SCBA tanks are an aluminum shell with carbon fiber over the aluminum.  It seems highly likely that damage to the carbon fiber that would affect integrity would be fairly obvious and that a tank would fail by leaking.  But a new tank is clearly less risk.  

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