Thx DirtyD,that helps alot. I did'nt want to stick a probe where don't belong,lol. I read one of your responses in another forum,(inexpensive airguns) or near like that,you referred to Compasseco Tech Force. That's where I was exposed to the dark side.The 22 cal Tech Force 97? Underlever.Their 4x32 scope,which was quite clear by the way and held up well till I put it on a Hatsan Gas Ram 105.Was my favorite rifle Still have it.but it has a few issues now. It shot the lights out,out to 20 to 25 yds with Daisy pointed pellets.Once the trigger and me bonded I could really reach out. I personally significantly reduced the Starling population in my township,lol with that gun.Ah such fond memories.Hey,again,thx