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    likkitysplyt
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    Why all the big secret about the Edgun Matador's insurmountable obstruction to accuracy. I have been sooooooooooooo darn POed with this gun for over a year now with it's inability to group

    Then I was surfing AGN as saw where someone said that if you torqued the barrel tension lug to between 10 to 12 lbs that a gun that previously would not group well probably would. Personally I thought someone was peeing down my back and telling me it was raining … but hey … I'm game … almost anything is worth a try at least once. Sooooo I had never touched the tension lug on the barrel because I didn't have a 12mm hex head … and when I put a hex wrench on it I was surprised that it was as tight as it was. I loosened it and guess what, the air tube slid it just like it had belonged there all along. Prior to that it had been a pain trying to get the air tube in or out because even with the gun cocked, safety applied, moderator and moderator tube taken off, it was such a tight fit. Apparently the tension lug was so tight that it was pulling the part of the shroud that covers the tension lug toward the air tube and not allowing you to just drop it in and pull up into the sled. Now she just rides the shroud down to the sled, pull up and it pops in.

     

    But the biggest thing was what happened to the accuracy … Boom, Boom and Kaboom … she is popping half inch groups at 60 yards like nobody's business. I've had this gun for over a year and can't tell ya how many times I had almost thrown it in the garbage … and look at her now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And nobody had said a word about it until last week when somebody mentioned the barrel tension lug. In desperation to try just about anything I even put on a new Huma regulator and even that would not overcome the stress that the tension lug had the gun under to improve the accuracy. I'm marking the barrel and the spot on the tension lug where they mate just in case I need to do something to the gun in the future where I would need to take the barrel out so I can mate it back together again.

    Well, that's my story, and I'm sticking to it!

    Shalom

    John

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    intenseaty22
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    Most excellent. Gotta love a happy ending. I know Steve is doing a review of the Edgun soon, but I really wish to see more of us, the consumers, putting out reviews of the EdGuns. I don't recall seeing many. Maybe I'm wrong. I'm talking about posting speed strings, groups, etc. 

     

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    slcrcflyer
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    Good to hear that it’s working now. Those were my posts about the barrel tension nut torque. Occasionally I get crap from people that act like smart asses that know everything, but I’m sure I’m not the only person that has issues and that is why I post everything that I find out in hopes something like this happens. Hopefully others will pay it forward.

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    ckfishdive
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    How did you measure how much tension you put? I just got a 12mm Allen in the mail but not a torque wrench adaptor.

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    slcrcflyer
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    Yup used a torque wrench with a hex socket 

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    Peskadot671
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    Thanks for sharing John.  I heard about the torque specs around the same time you did lol.  10-12 ft.lbs.

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    Beach-gunner
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    Slcrcflyer,

    Is that an e-bike in your Pictures?  If so perhaps a review, brand ect.  I’m interested in this idea.

     

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    boscoebrea
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    Yep there is a reason for torque specifications…like tension..

    E bikes….yes,google ..I am getting one….someday.

     

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    Beach-gunner

    Slcrcflyer,

    Is that an e-bike in your Pictures?  If so perhaps a review, brand ect.  I’m interested in this idea.

     

    They are amazing for the intended purpose!!!!!!

    Sorry for pulling the thread temporarily off track.

    To the OP – Would the same issue you discovered also apply to a Leshiy?

     

    Tom H.

    Team Daystate Wolf Pack

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    Digger25
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    Leshiy has two allen’s on side receiver just tight but not wrenched down, snug plus a quarter turn

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    slcrcflyer … +1 thank you again so much for that advice with the barrel tension lug. I didn't have to play with the pellet speed but it was a 25.39 gr JSP at 925 fps for about 48 ft lbs. I was shooting at one of those MYTARGETS.com 1" round circles and was keeping them all in the upper half of the  circular target .. had to do a double take … thought my eyes were deceiving me and at 60 yards. I had watched videos of the Edgun being tore down and put back together and when they put the air tube in it would just slide down the frame and then you would simply raise the rear end up and slide it over the sled … mine would never do that. You always had to play with it this way and that and pull and bump it with your hand to get it to fit in the slot because the tension lug was actually pulling the part of the moderator tube towards the air tube … and that was with the moderator and the part of the sleve that covers it off the gun … but you can't take the tube that covers the lug off without taking the lug off first.

    Somebody ought to inspect these R5M longs for that before leaving the factory.

    Tom, the only thing I could tell you (as I do not have a Leshiy) would be to inspect the torque on your barrel tension and maybe call Brian at Edgun West to find out what the appropriate amount of tension would be for a Leshiy. All I can say it that it surprised the snot outta me. If you don't have a torque wrench to check it with try marking the barrel and the tension lug where they are now … then loosen the tension by a quarter turn and check for any accuracy change. Do it a couple of times and if there is no improvement you can always turn the tension lug back to where it was by lining up the marks you make with a sharpie on the barrel and lug … no harm, no foul.

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    AirGunShooter
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    Thank you.  I will give that a try.

     

    Tom H.

    Team Daystate Wolf Pack

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    lbc_PSI
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    Something like these..

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01LX4ND65/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A1L7F5DL4H71TK&psc=1

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07DYGQVT2/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?smid=ANVTSQPTGVTK&psc=1

    Makes sense that changing the lug tension could affect groups…barrel harmonics.

    It would also seem logical that different pellet weights would group better/worse at different tensions.

     

     

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    likkitysplyt

    Why all the big secret about the Edgun Matador's insurmountable obstruction to accuracy. I have been sooooooooooooo darn POed with this gun for over a year now with it's inability to group

    Then I was surfing AGN as saw where someone said that if you torqued the barrel tension lug to between 10 to 12 lbs that a gun that previously would not group well probably would. Personally I thought someone was peeing down my back and telling me it was raining … but hey … I'm game … almost anything is worth a try at least once. Sooooo I had never touched the tension lug on the barrel because I didn't have a 12mm hex head … and when I put a hex wrench on it I was surprised that it was as tight as it was. I loosened it and guess what, the air tube slid it just like it had belonged there all along. Prior to that it had been a pain trying to get the air tube in or out because even with the gun cocked, safety applied, moderator and moderator tube taken off, it was such a tight fit. Apparently the tension lug was so tight that it was pulling the part of the shroud that covers the tension lug toward the air tube and not allowing you to just drop it in and pull up into the sled. Now she just rides the shroud down to the sled, pull up and it pops in.

     

    But the biggest thing was what happened to the accuracy … Boom, Boom and Kaboom … she is popping half inch groups at 60 yards like nobody's business. I've had this gun for over a year and can't tell ya how many times I had almost thrown it in the garbage … and look at her now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And nobody had said a word about it until last week when somebody mentioned the barrel tension lug. In desperation to try just about anything I even put on a new Huma regulator and even that would not overcome the stress that the tension lug had the gun under to improve the accuracy. I'm marking the barrel and the spot on the tension lug where they mate just in case I need to do something to the gun in the future where I would need to take the barrel out so I can mate it back together again.

    Well, that's my story, and I'm sticking to it!

    Shalom

    John

    Hey, tighten the tube back and throw it away in my direction🀣

    While not true in Airguns (at least not yet) I can't even count the number of little electronics and some even not so little, that people has given me because it didn't work the way it was supposed to, I was able to do some research and find the bug and fix it. Even had a buddy get red mad at me because I took his non working Nintendo he threw away and was playing it the next day when he came over 

    Glad you found the gremlin

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    Beach-gunner

    Slcrcflyer,

    Is that an e-bike in your Pictures?  If so perhaps a review, brand ect.  I’m interested in this idea.

     

    Yes it is an e-bike it’s a Haibike FullFatSix. I’ve had it for about 3 years and 1500 miles and it’s still going strong. I have a very critical review on my YouTube channel. If you are looking at getting one I may recommend the Bulls version because it has walk-assistances which is really handy when you are biking in deep snow. E-bikes are the best!

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    slcrcflyer
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    E-bikes are a great companion to airgunning. You can get in to some beautiful backcountry and have the E-assistance to help you lug your gear up the trail and you get a killer work out and enjoy shooting at the same time. Mountain πŸ” biking 🚡‍♀️ is my 1st favorite hobby with Airguns in 2nd place and I’m sure everyone can tell by my user name/YouTube channel name “SLCRCflyer” (Salt Lake City RC flyer) that RC airplanes ✈️ and helicopters 🚁 are in 3rd place.

     

    this was today 

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    likkitysplyt

    slcrcflyer … +1 thank you again so much for that advice with the barrel tension lug. I didn't have to play with the pellet speed but it was a 25.39 gr JSP at 925 fps for about 48 ft lbs. I was shooting at one of those MYTARGETS.com 1" round circles and was keeping them all in the upper half of the  circular target .. had to do a double take … thought my eyes were deceiving me and at 60 yards. I had watched videos of the Edgun being tore down and put back together and when they put the air tube in it would just slide down the frame and then you would simply raise the rear end up and slide it over the sled … mine would never do that. You always had to play with it this way and that and pull and bump it with your hand to get it to fit in the slot because the tension lug was actually pulling the part of the moderator tube towards the air tube … and that was with the moderator and the part of the sleve that covers it off the gun … but you can't take the tube that covers the lug off without taking the lug off first.

    Somebody ought to inspect these R5M longs for that before leaving the factory.

    Tom, the only thing I could tell you (as I do not have a Leshiy) would be to inspect the torque on your barrel tension and maybe call Brian at Edgun West to find out what the appropriate amount of tension would be for a Leshiy. All I can say it that it surprised the snot outta me. If you don't have a torque wrench to check it with try marking the barrel and the tension lug where they are now … then loosen the tension by a quarter turn and check for any accuracy change. Do it a couple of times and if there is no improvement you can always turn the tension lug back to where it was by lining up the marks you make with a sharpie on the barrel and lug … no harm, no foul.

    Glad I can helpπŸ˜€

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    slcrcflyer

    E-bikes are a great companion to airgunning. You can get in to some beautiful backcountry and have the E-assistance to help you lug your gear up the trail and you get a killer work out and enjoy shooting at the same time. Mountain πŸ” biking πŸš΅β€β™€οΈ is my 1st favorite hobby with Airguns in 2nd place and I’m sure everyone can tell by my user name/YouTube channel name “SLCRCflyer” (Salt Lake City RC flyer) that RC airplanes ✈ and helicopters 🚁 are in 3rd place.

    I routinely mountain bike into remote areas for coyote hunting.  I typically carry a backpack that weighs between 35 to 40 pounds.  It includes my Leshiy, an electronic call, many misc. items and a folding chair.  This extra weight redefines hill climbs.

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    BlackICE
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    The torque is probably set in Russia when the temperature is freezing or below. Because the thermal coefficient of expansion of aluminum is much greater than steel when it gets to warmer climates the tension increases.

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