Drag function

Soooo, it seems that the GA drag function in Chairgun isnt available in any program I can find.

I'm wondering which function i should choose.

Also, I'd like to find a program for Windows that can import data from the LabRadar, or failing that a program that I can enter the data in manually. I'm looking to get at least a BC, but also would like to calculate the CD.

My magic wand broke or I'd just conjure one up.
 
If I recall correctly, the CD (coefficient of drag) is the aerodynamic coefficient that is used to derive the BC. The G1 drag function is a very idealized shape to represent drag of a typical bullet. Later, other 'G values' were developed to refine the drag function of other types of projectiles (main point here is they were primarily centered around firearm projectiles). I believe it was the folks who developed Chairgun that went through the math and ballistics studies and determined none of those numbers really worked well to fit what was taking place with a diabolo shape, that was fairly common to airgun pellets (most closely matching the shape of a pellet like a JSB or H&N Baracuda). Thus they went through the effort to derive the math to mimic that diabolo drag function and store it as a new entity called 'GA' (the 'A' being selected to stand apart, and trigger thoughts of 'airgun' would be my guess).

I summarize this to point out that the CD is actually used in the mathematical derivation of the BC and is tied together to the shape of the projectile being classified-so the CD is linked to the BC mathematically. In other words, the same folks who developed the GA drag function for the diabolo pellet needed to (somewhere in the process) empirically (through testing-perhaps via a sort of wind tunnel measurment), or via modeling (CFD, perhaps), or theoretically (purely mathmatically) come up with the CD of a diabolo pellet shape. Thus the two are tied together and if you can't find GA, you most likely won't locate the CD for the diabolo shape either (because the two go hand in hand).

Does that help to understand a bit better? 

Some of the newer slugs may actually have a better chance at being modeled with some of the G1, etc numbers because they mimic a typical firearm projectile more than a diabolo pellet shape. 

Regarding software, you can download an awesome version of 'Chairgun Chairgun Pro' for either Mac or Windows straight from the Hawke website (Hawke is the company that developed Chairgun, or at least bought it and took it over from whomever did the original programming). Visit https://us.hawkeoptics.com/chairgun.html and click the link to download for Windows for your free copy of the software. It really is a top notch piece of software-better on the desktop than on the phone for sure. There is a built in BC calculator with 'GA' (along with others) available. Plus you can print scope tapes, range cards (ballistics cards), etc and select any of the hawke scope to have the correct reticle displayed, etc. There is a ton of functionality in the software and it's terrific that its free to download and use as well.

Hope that helps somewhat?



Sean
 
More information about the actual math of calculating BC's (and CD's) can be found summarized here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballistic_coefficient 

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Sean
 
Yes, I have it on my phone, and computer. I haven't really used it on the computer tho, so I'll take your advise and dig into it deeper.

I know that the BC calculator on the phone app seems to be limited to using the drop method which is crude compared to the data I get from the doppler. 

Unfortunately the LabRadar app is limited to your normal chrono data with the exception that it gives me fps for the entire distance.

I'd gladly pay for a program that interfaced with the LabRadar that had adavanced options like Chairgun.

I may call them again and see if they know of a program, or if they're working on something.
 
Chairgun has the BC calculator where you enter two velocities (measured) and the distance between them in both the app and the desktop version (I'm using an iPhone and Mac, so i can only speak to those). On the phone app, it's under 'Tools' --> 'Ballistics Coefficient' and you should see 3 places to enter numbers: Velocity at Range 1 (for my testing this would be 1 yard, and the velocity measured at that chrony-but it could be whereever your first reading is measured), Delta Range (distance in yards between the two readings), and Velocity at Range 2 (second velocity reading). Plug thos numbers in and the 'New BC' field should update automatically to calculate the BC based on the date entered.

I'm using 'Hawke Chairgun Pro Mobile' on my iPhone (not sure if there are two versions or not)...



Sean
 
PerkyVal,

what you are looking for is out there....

Strelok Pro (for Android and iPhone) allows you to define the BC as:

(a) one fixed value (like ChairGun),

(b) or as five different BC values for different velocities (as the BC does change with different velocities),

(c) or you can import the drag coefficients at a virtually unlimited number of different velocities (Labradar data).

The app allows for much more fine tuning than ChairGun (exact weather conditions, for zeroing etc.; connects via bluetooth to wind and weather meters). There are no graphs as in the ChairGun app. Strelok Pro has G1, GA, and other functions to choose from. The pellet data base is not bad, and you can define each and every pellet, using any of the three ways to define its BC.

In Strelok Pro you can switch between pellets and guns seemlessly -- you do not have to remember what the zero is of each pellet and for gun. Change the pellet and the app simply tells you how to adjust your turrets or your holdover.



There are three variants of Strelok:

(1) Strelok Ballistic Calculator (free)

(2) Strelok + (5.50$)

(3) Strelok Pro (12$). To me the 12$ are very well spent.



Hope this helps,
Matthias