DISCOVERY OPTICS [ONE OF THESE THINGS IS NOT LIKE THE OTHER]

OK, this is off topic, but how in the world do you use your level in that position? Isn't the view blocked by your rings?

Good question!

Normally, I would 'not' put the anti cant level in the position where it's seen in the photo..
I only have it on there so that I don't lose it, but, now I have two of them..

So that I don't need a big level, I grabbed one of those, use it to level the surface, then gun [rail]
then the scope - I'll place it on the turret cap as I'm tightening down the ring hardware, so it stays true..
After that, I don't use it anymore.. Yes - can't be be an issue, and these things are practical, but, 
after shooting for 25+ years, and not needing one for what they're intended for, I don't bother..

I noticed a few others chimed in to explain what they're for, and the info regarding cant..
Very cool. People that have no clue about that should find it very informative and useful.

I used to have a site you could to go, and it would show a target through scope, 
then two different sliders.. You could adjust cant and elevation, on the sliders, 
and the cross hairs would move, then a dot would show the real-time point of impact accordingly..
It was awesome! Of course I lost the url address, but I'm always looking..

Sam -
 
Sam,

That's the exact same scope I have on my Taipan Veteran, and I bought it from the same Amazon seller last year. I'll check as soon as I get home and let you know, but I think I remember seen the screw at the bottom because it was in the way when I was leveling the reticle with this guy:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00W8B1Z8K/ref=oh_aui_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Erlis,

Thanks for the amazon link bro! That little device is Very Cool!
I wouldn't even of thought to make such a simple / effective 'tool'. 
Being so far away from my little metal-shop, I may just order one now..

That's cool that you're using the same scope on your Veteran! What a Great combo!

And speaking of air rifles, I found a special one Just For You! 😉👍
[Check out the name on the action]
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Thanks for double-checking your scope for me too!

🙂 

Sam -

 
John, 

If I hadn't seen the Ed Man driving over his rifles, I wouldn't have had a clue what you meant, but, 
I've seen his video, and know how effective those tests are! It's good to hear that more companies are doing that now, 
and, kicking things up a notch with the procedure that you described! [I was laughing out loud the whole time reading that!]

The investigating deepens and the plot thickens..

Curiosity got the best of me, so, I decided to remove that set screw, inspect the internals, and try to figure out what it was for..
After removing the screw, I used a 5mm lighted mini endoscope cam fed inside to get a better view..
That's when I noticed something out of place.. Something that shouldn't be there, but couldn't figure out what it was..
It took some work, but, I managed to pry it loose, and extract it from the tube..

It was a very small capsule with an extremely small pcb / device inside..
Under a magnifying glass, I could make out what looked like a combination of GPS and FRID chips, antenna, transmitter, etc..
No way! The Chinese and the Russians really are trying to spy on us! I was about to crush the thing with a hammer when 
I noticed some dark shadowy figures moving past my window.. I threw it in my pocket, and got the hell out of Dodge..

I'm at work now, so no clue what might have happened at my apartment..

Wait.. What the...

A convoy of blacked out vehicles just pulled up out front with what look like diplomatic flags on the antennas..
Guys in all black are getting out.. And they're armed! AAAAHHHH!!!! The shop is taking automatic fire!!

*Runs for my life*

[Apparently I can also type really well while running - A talent I never knew I had until' now]

🤣 

Sam -

 
OK, this is off topic, but how in the world do you use your level in that position? Isn't the view blocked by your rings?

I never understood the practical use of a "level" with a scope. As long as the gun is held firmly, no wobble...perhaps bi-pod, and the shooter isn't subject to nervous jerks, seizures, or outside pressures like diarrhea or his wife screaming at him when he's taking the shot...what does it do?

If I'm shooting from an unlevel surface, which is most of the time, and my target is on the downhill side of the gully, how does a level help? I'm not bashing the use of a level, I just never found a practical use for it. But then, I'm very old and perhaps one of you young whippersnappers, in your 50's or 60's, can help me out here.

By the way, my Discovery scope is just shipped, so in a few weeks I can check to see what mine has on it. It should be the latest version...the one with the new built-in level.



Kindly 'Ol Uncle Hoot

(I'm 76, leave me the hell alone!!!)


I didn't read the article, but if you want to see how much of a real world effect "cant" can have on a gun try this: Sight your gun in at 25yards. Now hold your gun "canted" at a 45 degree angle (to the left or right) and shoot at your target. IF you're shooting at a watermelon you might hit it. Then try it shooting at a grape. Get the idea?
 
Don't you see Sam, that's just what I have been trying to tell ya … appearances aren't everything, it just looks like they are … and what doesn't eat you today is saving you for tomorrow. You must return those scopes and then run like there ain't no tomorrow ... the day of boldly going forward simply because you can't find reverse are long past. They now have your name and number, the KGB, CIA and MS-13 are all after you. Don't tell me that I'm going off the deep end and all those nefarious hired killers can't be after little ole you … cant produces countercant … confusion creates jobs … complex problems have simple, easy to understand, wrong answers. We both know that you are a marked man now, don't depend on the government to protect you, the president of a democracy is a man who is always ready, willing and able to have you lay down your life to protect his country. Please don't think that I am just one big fool, a little bit of ignorance goes a long way and I have more than my share. You must get da heck outta Dodge, the way I see it all probabilities are 50% … either a thing will happen or it wont. Save yourself while you still can. An ounce of pretension is worth a pound of manure.
 
BigTinBoat,

Exactly. Points of impact will definitely be drastically off course if/when there's too much cant involved..
I learned that years ago, but, it took me forever to actually figure it out..

Instead of bringing a rifle to my face, and keeping everything as level as possible, 
I used to bring my face to the rifle, and if that meant things were all contorted and wonky, so be it..
Well, after trying different things, it finally clicked.. And a day/night difference it will make!

This is just one of those areas of physics that can't be argued..

🙂👍 

Sam -
 
Sam,

That's the exact same scope I have on my Taipan Veteran, and I bought it from the same Amazon seller last year. I'll check as soon as I get home and let you know, but I think I remember seen the screw at the bottom because it was in the way when I was leveling the reticle with this guy:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00W8B1Z8K/ref=oh_aui_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Erlis,

Thanks for the amazon link bro! That little device is Very Cool!
I wouldn't even of thought to make such a simple / effective 'tool'. 
Being so far away from my little metal-shop, I may just order one now..

That's cool that you're using the same scope on your Veteran! What a Great combo!

And speaking of air rifles, I found a special one Just For You!
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[Check out the name on the action]
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Thanks for double-checking your scope for me too!

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Sam -

Sam, 

first thing first. I’ve checked the scope and I don’t have the screw! I was confused with my other scope, the Athlon, hope this info helps!

About that pic you shared with me, man, I feel special, I was watching the other day how Claudio is getting a signature edition on the Bantam, and look at this, I have a rifle dedicated to me also! When I was researching the scope cam I even ordered an Orion cam system but ended up returning it, not worthy of displaying my name on that piece of $h..t ;)
 
Sam

It may be an optical illusion that I am looking at but it appears to me that partly under the rear scope cover, the black slotted part, that there are letters that look like VT-T on the top scope and nothing on the bottom one. . That may not be the case but mine has an "indented" place that has no letters there. No big deal but maybe, as I and others have said, could just be a newer model.

Don 
 
Don,

Ohhh! Yes! You are 100% correct!
I'm sorry, I wasn't thinking when you mentioned that earlier..

The scopes have a small elongated spot for a little metal 'name plate' to sit into..
My 1st scope was very cold, and the adhesive on the plate got cold, and loosened..
I removed that, and just have to re-adhere it. It says the model name "VT-T" 

👍 

Sam -
 
Erlis,

Thankya sir! I appreciate you double checking your scope for me! No-Screw. Gotcha!
Yeah, I noticed that other []brand / models of] scopes out there have a screw in that same area too..
At this point, curiosity makes me want to figure out what they're for - I'll find out eventually..

"Signature Series rifles": Hahaha right on man! That's awesome!
I didn't see the Claudio Edition Bantam yet, but, that's really cool.

I really dig that Orion model bullpup though.. a Lot! You lucked out with that one!
It's a buzz kill that you weren't so lucky with the Orion cam system.. 😃 

Sam -




 
I want to know what the screw is even for. Is there any writing that says something like fill port for Nitrogen/Argon, do not remove? It's been referred to as a set screw. Set screws usually help something keep set in place. Just wondering.

I'm actually looking for older Bushnell Japanese optics. How do these Discovery scopes compare to old Trophy, Banner, newer 4200 & Elite 4200's?
 
I want to know what the screw is even for. Is there any writing that says something like fill port for Nitrogen/Argon, do not remove? It's been referred to as a set screw. Set screws usually help something keep set in place. Just wondering.

I'm actually looking for older Bushnell Japanese optics. How do these Discovery scopes compare to old Trophy, Banner, newer 4200 & Elite 4200's?


Its a main spring that puts bearing pressure on the erector tube inside the scope. It is not for filling with argon or nitrogen. IOR calls this a mag lock support system. The below photo is straight from IOR's description. Tampering with it will also void any and all warranty, This came from the box of an IOR 4-28x50 Recon.

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A.I.
 
Accuracy_Incorporated,

Thanks for the information and breakdown of the reasoning behind the screw.. literally.
Wow, for something that important, I agree with you.. They probably shouldn't have used
such a common head type - Which like you said: People will most likely tamper with..
Knowing this now, they probably should have gone with "tamper proof" style head instead.

Coincidentally / Ironically, the head / bit type are right in the name.. 😃

👍 

Sam -