Depressing News about the Smooth Twist X 700mm slug barrels and liners

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    Azycray
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    To make a long story short I won’t give the whole back story, just the depressing information I discovered about getting one of the STX 700mm slug barrel upgrades. I was under the assumption that us gen1 owners could get the upgrade barrel with whatever liner we wanted. Sorry, that’s the first bad news. First you get the upgrade and then if you want the slug liner you buy that separate. All upgrade and full barrel packages come with the A liner. Wow, the cost just sky rocketed. But wait, it gets worse. The standard upgrade barrel length for the .25 is 600mm but if you want the 700mm you have to buy the whole barrel kit, no upgrade for the 700mm. It just went up more. With the full kit at least, you get everything including a suppressor but most of us don’t need another suppressor. If you want to shoot slugs and want more power and accuracy you have to get the 700mm, FX tells you so right up front. I quote: ( This came from the AOA web site which I assume came from FX)

    · Longer length can be tuned to gain greater accuracy through more efficient air use and less air turbulence

    · Longer length can also be tuned to gain more power. Upwards of 10% more muzzle energy compared to the standard FX Smooth Twist X Barrel.

    I already heard from Ernest at FX USA that the higher the velocity the tighter the groups so if you want to shoot slugs why would you get the standard 600mm barrel?

    So, the bottom line is that for the 700mm barrel kit that does not come with a slug liner you pay $430 then another $109 on top of that for the slug liner for grand damages of $539 plus shipping. Holy smokes Batman that’s a whole lot more than I was expecting to pay to shoot slugs from my Impact. I was planning on get the STX slug barrel and a custom 30” Lothar Walther barrel for slugs but now I think I’m going to pass on the STX, especially since it is only designed to shoot the .25 slugs from 34-40 grains. With the LW I can go above that and for less. The costs for a special order LW barrel are $170 for the barrel, $47 for the transfer port and $125 to have Pomona Air Guns cut, crown thread and fit to your rifle. That’s $342 or $197 less than the 700mm STX slug barrel which is 28”, 2” shorter than the LW.

    Anyone who want’s to join the AGN special order for a Lothar Walther barrel can get more info here

    A small rant about FX. I’m more than a little disappointed with FX concerning us gen1 buyers and the product FX put out on the market.  I feel kind of like a beta tester that paid full price. Once we help them work out a bunch of the kinks they make all the changes to the next version of the rifle and sell it for the same price I paid for mine with all the imperfections. These are no small improvements either with changes to the barrel, the trigger, the regulator and I don’t know what else. Seems to me that the gen1 buyers who forked out $2,000 for an air rifle should be getting the cutting edge of what you can find in this day and age. But no, we bought untested and now out dated technology, one year later no less. And to upgrade to the standard equipment it’s going to cost us an arm and a leg. If I want the 700mm slug liner it will cost me $539. The new trigger housing and regulator parts will cost me over $300. It just leaves a very nasty taste in my mouth. We should be getting all upgrade parts at cost or less for being their guinea pigs. Instead we get the shaft with no apologies. I’m done, for now.

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    E30_S50
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    Here's my question, why doesn't someone simply buy in bulk and take some nice long and common 22lr barrels, machine them to fit a variety of common Airguns, such as the FX impact, and sell them aftermarket. 

    Im not a gun expert, and somewhat new to this hobby…but would those barrels not work as airgun slug barrels?

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    Widget23
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    The scenario you describe is pretty much the standard of operation in a lot of businesses, not just airguns.  Think computers for one.  Autos for another.

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    Widget23

    The scenario you describe is pretty much the standard of operation in a lot of businesses, not just airguns.  Think computers for one.  Autos for another.

     

    +1 on this.

    Unfortunately that is the risk of buying a first generation product. I try to avoid that myself but sometimes the hype gets the best of me lol.

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    That really does suck….its a dam expensive sport we are in.  I gave up all motorcycles so I had to have some hobby and with this hobby I can't get my head ripped off or injured so I can't  work.

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    Groundhog
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    Not just the impact either , I want a 600mm .22 with slug liner for my Crown and it's the same problem . $600 with a mag . One of the reasons I bought a Texan .257 and I'm looking into building a .22 slug shooter based on my Mrod for about the same $$ as a barrel set up for the Crown . If you can't order a barrel with the liner of your choice how in the world are they going to pull off the Dreamline custom configurations orders they claim will be available .

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    AirSupply
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    To be fair when Fx introduced the smooth x barrels they did offer a bear barrel upgrade. You could buy just the barrel and in the caliber you already had and use your existing probe and shroud. 

    Im pleased to be able to upgrade my original Impact. If it where almost any other brand upgrades would be on a new model altogether and you’d be stuck with an obsolete gun. 

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    Saltlake58
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    I'm actually quite pleased with FX.  Who else would even offer the upgraded barrel in any length??  I just ordered the bare barrel upgrade, but it's for the same length standard barrel I already have, just a STX.  AOA still has them on the web site.  

    I think to expect a vendor to offer something as specialized as a 700mm slug barrel, that at least for now, the demand is so small that only a few would order it, a bit of a stretch.  

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    Bob_O
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    I plan to shoot the lighter slugs (34gr) out of my Wildcat, so 600mm should be good for that.  $100.00 or so?

    Are you just talking about the 1st gen Impacts?

     

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    Widget23

    The scenario you describe is pretty much the standard of operation in a lot of businesses, not just airguns.  Think computers for one.  Autos for another.

    +1 too. Could have been my words.

    No reason to start a rant on FX, they are the innovators. I think we have to be thankful for that, airguns have come a long way.

    Buying a new caliber for a Crown or Impact simply cost money, that already was the case with the regular ST barrel kit.

    So actually there is nothing new in the OP's message, but I can imagine his disappointment.

    But look at it from the bright side, other brands don't give you such an option. Choose what suits you best ?

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    Spray1Mark
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    It's interesting that the most critical part of the whole gun is seen to be an "expensive" part to replace at about 1/3 the cost of the complete gun. To me thats still a good deal.

    However if the consumer was led to believe the replacement costs would be substantially lower that is a different thing, to which I would say when given a figure, double it, add 50% then another 25% just to be safe and you should be at about the right place.

    It's the same with scopes on airguns, why on earth anybody would put a $400 scope on a $2000 dollar airgun is totally above me?

    Here the crown retails for $2501, a standard barrel kit will be $528. Thats if we ever see them.

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    steve-l
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    I guess I'm confused by the OP's point of view. If I went out and bought a brand new Pontiac GTO in 1964 with the Tempest body and the 389 cu/in V8 and promptly discovered that I was breaking the frame ahead of the rear wheels, that and many other faults would not give me the right to buy a new 1965 GTO with all those faults corrected at a discount tom General Motors. In my mind that is exactly what the OP expects FX to do. In the real world this happens all the time, especially with first gen. products. Perhaps the OP would be better off selling his Gen 1 and buying a new Gen 2 in the configuration he wants.

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    chendkoi
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    Good old FX Strikes again,masters of daylight robbery.Everyone knows FX is short for F*****g Expensive,or is it Frederick Xpensive.Swedens finest Airgun bandit!

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    spysir
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    Modern times eh?

     

    Gosta have the latest greatest , even better than greatest heck it's NEW.

     

     The salesmanship in airguns had gotten so insane , naturally due to the consumer buying, sthuf. 

    SO many waiting on so much totally unproven sthuff.

     

    Now you get NO guarantees with these barrels & liners right? 

    As in they are NOT   MOA or return it, right?

    I can have 1 CUSTOM barrel made for under $500.00. NO accuracy guarantee on that one either but a known maker with many years behind them ( and the tech.).

    So an aiergun company blast the internet with……… , watches responses and listens to the loudest wheel. Finds ( well we hear it's "made" & readsy, maybe???)  a way to cutb cost incredibly , play's it up at TOP unheard of dollar, wait for it……………………….   and folks stand in line.       

     Odd times indeed.

     

    LW will do custom runs ( minimum order but it's not bad) , several US companies will do single runs at $500.00 (  and less).   And I would not know whom but I would think some tuner/dealer   for an extra , may $400.00 over full MSRP   could/would guarantee accuracy?

     

     John

     

     

     

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    Azycray
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    Still looking for 3 more people to special order 30" Lothar Walther barrels. Price is about $342 including the fitting expenses plus shipping. More info here

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    Jld1969
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    I had a gen 1 inpact and I was told that inpact x was the same but I found out later they are not the same the x has beefy uped rings and a better twist so I sold my gen 1 and was happy to get the new inpact x and I can say it is a better gun so. Don't try and put a set of new hub caps and tires on old car sale it and get the new one you will get a better gun and all the good stuff that come with it by the way I sold my gen 1 inpact for 1,500 so for $500 more I got 700mm barrel and for $109 more a slug liner. It's still cheaper then golf guys!!. John

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    Good old FX Strikes again,masters of daylight robbery.Everyone knows FX is short for F*****g Expensive,or is it Frederick Xpensive.Swedens finest Airgun bandit!

    Yeah, they are really expensive, but we keep paying the price and they are SWEET GUNS!  While I love my Marauder, the Impact is light years ahead and soooooo much easier to shoot.  You get what you pay for.

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    I had a gen 1 inpact and I was told that inpact x was the same but I found out later they are not the same the x has beefy uped rings and a better twist so I sold my gen 1 and was happy to get the new inpact x and I can say it is a better gun so. Don't try and put a set of new hub caps and tires on old car sale it and get the new one you will get a better gun and all the good stuff that come with it by the way I sold my gen 1 inpact for 1,500 so for $500 more I got 700mm barrel and for $109 more a slug liner. It's still cheaper then golf guys!!. John

    Even spending $2000 on an Impact or Crown is cheaper than a whole lot 'o hobbies.  Shooting is just darned expensive.  My sons shoot larger calibers, at about $1.50 per round.  Reloading gets it down to $.80 per round.  One friend had a .50 Barrett and with reloading it was about $6 per round, and since it was full auto, with a 10 round mag, could be $60 each time he pulled the trigger, and the gun wasn't cheap either.  He sold that for a .338 Lapua, and with reloading, it's only $5 per round, and being a single shot, much less expensive to shoot.  Oh, and the gun cost way more than my Impact.

    Even with high end guns, that seem to cost an arm and leg (Maybe two arms), considering how expensive shooting is as a hobby, it's one of the cheaper forms.  

    As for FX offering upgrades in every conceivable configuration, I knew what I was buying when I bought the gun.  FX was under no obligation to offer any upgrade at any time.  I'm just happy that they offered the standard barrel upgrade kit (no probe or shroud or can) for $270.  Mine is on the way. I've gotten good use out of the gun with the old smooth twist, and expect to get more use and accuracy out of the new X barrel, though only standard length.  

    I'm happy with where it's going at the moment.  Someday, if I ever get enough $$ together, I might buy the latest and greatest next time around.  To be honest, I usually stay one generation off bleeding edge unless there's a darned good reason.  Adding an X barrel to an existing Impact doesn't bother me much because any other improvements are so incremental, the won't bother me.  The Gen 1 is an incredible gun, while Gen 2 has some improvements, I'll settle for a Gen 1.5

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    It seems to me that sooner or later one of the more innovative dealers like Utah Airguns will eventually allow customers to order an FX rifle with whatever barrel they want straight from the dealer. For example, you could order a Crown or Impact from them with only an FX 700 mm slug barrel in .22, .25. or .30 caliber…or as an additional option they might allow the customer to order the rifle with a barrel in any of those three calibers made by Mike Sayers at TJ Barrel Liners…or allow the customer to specify an FX rifle with a Lilja or Krieger custom barrel in .257 for slugs.

    My point is two fold in that I think customers should be allowed to order the gun set up with whatever barrel is desired, and that FX has created a couple of platforms that are just begging for lots of different modifications and could be sold as modified by the dealer to customers specifications. And the dealer could even offer a lifetime warranty on the rifle as long as the customer returns it to them for the repairs…and maybe just charge for any broken parts that need replacement. 

    From what I am seeing going on presently, I believe Utah Airguns is the dealer with the vision and know how to accomplish this very lucrative niche. Not very different from them selling the brand new FX Wildcat II with a trick hydo-dipped stock… by the same token they could sell brand new FX rifles with any number of modifications regarding barrels, bipods, paint schemes and dips. I actually hope they read this and decide to follow through on my idea and ask me to move to Utah to go to work for them in their shop helping to make this very doable dream come true! 

    All the best, Chuck

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    It seems to me that sooner or later one of the more innovative dealers like Utah Airguns will eventually allow customers to order an FX rifle with whatever barrel they want straight from the dealer. For example, you could order a Crown or Impact from them with only an FX 700 mm slug barrel in .22, .25. or .30 caliber…or as an additional option they might allow the customer to order the rifle with a barrel in any of those three calibers made by Mike Sayers at TJ Barrel Liners…or allow the customer to specify an FX rifle with a Lilja or Krieger custom barrel in .257 for slugs.

    My point is two fold in that I think customers should be allowed to order the gun set up with whatever barrel is desired, and that FX has created a couple of platforms that are just begging for lots of different modifications and could be sold as modified by the dealer to customers specifications. And the dealer could even offer a lifetime warranty on the rifle as long as the customer returns it to them for the repairs…and maybe just charge for any broken parts that need replacement. 

    From what I am seeing going on presently, I believe Utah Airguns is the dealer with the vision and know how to accomplish this very lucrative niche. Not very different from them selling the brand new FX Wildcat II with a trick hydo-dipped stock… by the same token they could sell brand new FX rifles with any number of modifications regarding barrels, bipods, paint schemes and dips. I actually hope they read this and decide to follow through on my idea and ask me to move to Utah to go to work for them in their shop helping to make this very doable dream come true! 

    All the best, Chuck

    My experience with Utah Air Guns was not as positive as yours. I can't see doing business with them again after purchasing my impact from them.

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