Daystate Wolverine B Hi-lite .25 review ***EDIT*** new photo with accuracy clue

I'm almost not looking forward to writing this review because I'm having a hard time trying to figure out how to word it so that people won't think I'm slanted in my opinion one way or another. Let me just try to emphasize that I love shooing air guns because I grew up with one in my hand as a kid and for many years I had no idea that they have come as far as they have. Over the last few years I've been thoroughly enjoying the newly discovered hobby and I've been trying different makes and models from different manufacturers and I enjoy writing about them and talking to the community here and in general just trying to share knowledge. I'M NOT A BRAND LOYALIST. I have no hidden agendas or priors biases toward any manufacturer before I try one of their guns.

Just to give a frame of reference, the guns I've tried over the last few years include 3 FX guns including 2 Royale's and a Bobcat, 2 Air Arms S-510's, a BSA R-10 MK2, Raw HM1000x, 2 Kalibrgun Crickets, one .25 and one .22, a Hatsan At-44 long, a Benjamin Marauder, TX 200 MKIII, and a HW 97kt. I've sold most of these to fund others, but I've kept a Royale 500 and a BSA R-10 and the .22 Cricket because quite frankly, they've been the most accurate guns I've shot and that's mostly what matters to me at the end of the day. 

All that being said, I really wanted to like the Wolverine but right now I just can't. I've been looking at them for a couple off years now and when I buy a gun, it's because I've spent enough time reading about it that I've become smitten in some way and can't wait to try it out. I want to like every gun I buy!

Out of the box, the Wolverine is a pretty gorgeous gun. It feels light, shoulders very nicely and the stock is just stunning. I think it's an overall very well proportioned gun. Also, the magazine feels very well made but I had a bit of an issue loading the JSB Heavy MKII's. They needed to be pushed into the hole to be able to slide under the outer cover so the magazine could index to the next hole for loading. Overall though it was OK and didn't distract me from shooting.

Shooting it for the fist time, I was amazed at how loud it was. It is the loudest PCP with a moderator that I've ever shot and with the reputation of Hugget, it was more of a shock to me because I guess I just assumed it would be quiet. Take that with a grain of salt because I was shooting inside, but it's the only PCP I've considered getting hearing protection for while shooting inside. I'm certainly more aware of the fact that my neighbors are more aware of my activities when shooting the Wolverine.

The trigger is nice, but not awesome. It has a nice clean first stage, but there is just a pinch of creep in the second stage. Not enough to affect accuracy, but I was hoping to be impressed on this gun in this price range. While I no longer have the RAW HM1000x, it had the best trigger I've ever used and it's the benchmark by which I compare all other guns. 

One other thing I have to say that bugs me is how hard it is to cock the gun. Not just how hard it is to pull the bolt back, but how hard it is to push the pellets into the breech. This bugs me because I try very hard to have a consistent hold on the gun between shots and eye relief in the scope. I have to change how I'm holding the gun because I need to "brace the gun" somewhat so that I can pull the bolt back. I feel like it's gotten a little better since I've been using it some but I'm pretty sure it will never be as smooth as the side cocking levers on the Air Arms, FX, and Cricket guns I've tried. I'm a believer, Side lever is the way to go and it seems to be another area in which Daystate is holding onto older, less efficient technology. As much as I love my BSA, I hope the MKIII version of the R-10 has a side lever also. ***EDIT*** see post below about a new issue found with the bolt. It appears the difficult cocking may be the result of a specific problem with this gun and not these guns in general.

Now onto performance. I can't get the gun to impress me in the accuracy department. I always try shooting a gun out of the box to test accuracy before I clean it and with this gun I can tell no difference from how it shot out of the box to after I cleaned the barrel. I've shot at least 500 rounds through it at this point, probably closer to 700. I've tried JSB King 25g's JSB Heavies' MKII, Air Arms .25g, H&N field target trophy, Barracudas, and Benjamin Domes. I can't get one of them to group well. I've even tried lubing. I've shot without the shroud on. After many disappointing groups I took some JB Bore past and gave the barrel a light polishing and then cleaned it all out and tried everything again. Below are pics of the typical results I'm getting at 50 yards with JSB Kings, the most accurate pellet in this gun.

EDIT:
Here is a pic showing the results of what appear to be a problem when pushing a pellet into the barrel. Something is off causing pellet shavings to be produced. I can only assume this is the source of the problems that this gun is having maintaining consistency.


Here is a full chrony shot, 54 shots starting at a 230 bar fill. While the shot sting isn't that bad for a non-regulated gun, why can't a company like Daystate regulate their guns already? BSA does it, does it very well, and literally does it for half the price. I wouldn't even care, but you can clearly see the results on the target that I was shooting when I shot this string.
hi 897
low 833
average 874
ext spread 64
standard dev 16

To be fair, if you took out the first few shots, the es would drop by about 15 or 20 fps but that would still leave an es of 44 or so.


I numbered the groups in order that I shot them and you can see the POI change throughout the string. As the bell curve goes up and down, the shot groups go up and down with it at 50 yards. Even if the gun wasn't suffering some other mysterious accuracy issue, you would still have to know where you are at in your string to shoot accurately at distance, especially for hunting. I don't want to beat a dead horse but Daystate, please regulate. 


I drew some trend lines to articulate the point.


These are the typical groups I'm getting from a bench in near perfect conditions. Even at the sweet spot in the bell curve, I couldn't get a single group under a dime. I took out the BSA immediately after shooing theses groups just to make sure it wasn't me or the conditions and the very first two groups I shot both easily went under a dime. That told me all I needed to know.


It sure is a gorgeous gun though, at least that's something! haha






I'm not trying to attack Daystate or anyone else here. I don't want to insult anyone that has a tack driving Daystate out there, I know they exist, this particular gun just doesn't seem to be one of them. Also I apologize for what may seem like an opinionated or biased review, I promise you it's the result of my experience over the past few days and not bias. I just can't bring myself to gloss over the experiences I've had. I have to say that for being one of the most expensive guns I've ever purchased I'm pretty underwhelmed in a lot of critical areas with this particular gun. OK trigger, no regulator (which I knew going in, but guess it hit's home a little more after seeing the real world results of it not being there). Also the bell curve to the shot string, fairly loud, difficult bolt, no amenities like sling studs or an adjustable butt pad and worst of all, accuracy, which I'm pretty sure is not the normal for Daystate.

Anyway, all constructive feedback is always appreciated, thank you for looking! 

Regards,
Cliff
 
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Dam Cliff I'm sorry to hear that. I've never owned a Daystate rifle but I sure love their look and will certainly try one some day but to hear that and to know you paid all that money for a gun that won't group well is a hard pill to swallow. Couldn't you add a regulator? I saw a YouTube video of a guy who installed an Altaros regulator in his Daystate Wolverine.303 so I would hope the same is possible for your gun. Your absolutely right, Daystate needs to regulate those pricey guns. The Harper slingshot patent is only applicable to their models under 35fpe. Well I hope you figure something out and I can almost guarantee that it will still be an awesome hunting rifle. Good luck Cliff and thanks for your honest review.
 
Yikes. Awful to have to deal with a costly gun that shoots like garbage. With as tough as it is to pull the bolt back and then seat a pellet, is the probe possibly bent? It could be forcing the pellet to seat crookedly, and hose up any accuracy you might have. I would also have something to say to the company you bought it from, as well as Daystate. That gun should stack pellets.
 
I appreciate the positive tone of the reviewer.

I have far less experience with air rifles. I have only 4; Air Arms S410, Air Arms Pro Sport, Daystate Regal XL (all these in .22). I also have a new Daystate Wolverine Hi-Lite in .25. So, my comparisons are extremely limited.

I shoot all these indoors at my house. I don't need hearing protection with any. I did take the Hugget off the Wolverine once and was surprised how loud it is without that device...I was hoping it was quiet and I could shorten the rifle a bit. Nope, the Hugget is back on it.

Mine is easy to load and cock. I do prefer the side lever of the AA. But nothing is as difficult (comparatively) as the Pro Sport (under lever - I love this rifle though, so fun to shoot!).

I can't comment on accuracy on any of them because frankly, I've done no long range shooting. The three PCPs shoot one hole at the 13 yards I shoot them. The Pro Sport not quite as tight but that may be me with the springer? I should shoot them at distance, at least squirrel hunting distance. I'm a very serious archer (46 years) though and when I shoot I'm usually packing a recurve or a compound. 

My only complaint with the Wolverine, and this is purely aesthetic, it is bulkier than my other rifles because of the bottle. 

This was the first review I've ever read that wasn't overflowing in compliments for the RAW though. I've thought I need one, but as you can tell in this post, I probably don't need, or deserve more than 1-2 of these I already own. 
 
"TKA87"Dam Cliff I'm sorry to hear that. I've never owned a Daystate rifle but I sure love their look and will certainly try one some day but to hear that and to know you paid all that money for a gun that won't group well is a hard pill to swallow. Couldn't you add a regulator? I saw a YouTube video of a guy who installed an Altaros regulator in his Daystate Wolverine.303 so I would hope the same is possible for your gun. Your absolutely right, Daystate needs to regulate those pricey guns. The Harper slingshot patent is only applicable to their models under 35fpe. Well I hope you figure something out and I can almost guarantee that it will still be an awesome hunting rifle. Good luck Cliff and thanks for your honest review.
Hey TK, thanks for the support. I think you're right, it's an awesome hunting rifle and that is what it's likely intended for. I don't think Daystate is necessarily catering to the "I want to win competitions with precision accuracy" crowd. 
 
"amoxom"Yikes. Awful to have to deal with a costly gun that shoots like garbage. With as tough as it is to pull the bolt back and then seat a pellet, is the probe possibly bent? It could be forcing the pellet to seat crookedly, and hose up any accuracy you might have. I would also have something to say to the company you bought it from, as well as Daystate. That gun should stack pellets.
Hey Amo, I'm probably going to be contacting the retailer shortly. They've always been great to help out so hopefully they have some ideas. A barrel swap maybe? I hadn't considered a bent barrel probe. That might be something to look into. Maybe the difficulty I'm having pushing a pellet into the breech is a clue to the problem. It should definitely be more accurate than it is, no doubt about it. 

Regards,
Cliff
 
"amoxom"Yikes. Awful to have to deal with a costly gun that shoots like garbage. With as tough as it is to pull the bolt back and then seat a pellet, is the probe possibly bent? It could be forcing the pellet to seat crookedly, and hose up any accuracy you might have. I would also have something to say to the company you bought it from, as well as Daystate. That gun should stack pellets.
Hey Amo,

I went to check out the pellet probe per your suggestion and this is what I found. Looks like something is rubbing something wrong. The probe, other than all those shavings on it, looked fine. It didn't look bent at all. Also, I tried shooting a couple of groups by single loading to rule out an issue with the magazine but it didn't help. The groups were all over the place still. 

 
"Cliff_Allen"
"amoxom"Yikes. Awful to have to deal with a costly gun that shoots like garbage. With as tough as it is to pull the bolt back and then seat a pellet, is the probe possibly bent? It could be forcing the pellet to seat crookedly, and hose up any accuracy you might have. I would also have something to say to the company you bought it from, as well as Daystate. That gun should stack pellets.
Hey Amo, I'm probably going to be contacting the retailer shortly. They've always been great to help out so hopefully they have some ideas. A barrel swap maybe? I hadn't considered a bent barrel probe. That might be something to look into. Maybe the difficulty I'm having pushing a pellet into the breech is a clue to the problem. It should definitely be more accurate than it is, no doubt about it. 

Regards,
Cliff



I think you might be rite sounds like a crown or probe problem one thing is certain send it back and ask for another I wouldn't any new rifle that's had a barrel change I'd send it back and make note of the serial number to make sure you have a new replacement. It's sucks to have your expectations shattered.
 
Another update, the owner of the retailer reached out to me personally to help to resolve the issue. Once again, great customer service from AOA! I live 2700 miles from them and over the last few years every experience I've had with them has turned out great and it says a lot that they are just as helpful in situations like this when circumstances didn't always pan out perfectly. They've never hesitated to help out and make it right. Again, no bias here, I've been in contact with several retailers over the years and I try to give credit where credit is due. It is due here, thank you again Mr. Buchanan!

Also a big shout out to Travis from Wicked Air Rifles! He also reached out to me independently and offered to help with the problem even without having a horse in the race. If their customer service is this good when I didn't buy a gun from them, I can only imagine how good it is when I do. Thank you Travis! 

Regards,
Cliff
 
Thats great news Cliff. I met Mr Buchanan at EBR last year and got to see his operation and meet all his employees. After owning my own business for the last 45 years I'll say this. I've never seen such a great bunch of people. I've spent an insane amount of $ with them in the last year and any problems I encountered they took care of no questions ask. That's why I buy everything from them. They have been golden. I'm sure others are good also, but I have had no experience with them. If this sounds like I'm high on AOA, it's because I am. They have earned it. 
 
Heart breaking story, well told. This is one of my nightmares- saving up, researching, exploring options and not satisfied with the final results.
Travis at WAR is helping me on a similar journey with a Verminator extreme; we should have him knighted.

I envy the English in some ways- they've airgun shops with ranges in the back. You can handle, shoot and discern before purchasing your next air companion. No envy for any of their laws, mind you, just the shopping experience.
 
"Kitplanenut"Thats great news Cliff. I met Mr Buchanan at EBR last year and got to see his operation and meet all his employees. After owning my own business for the last 45 years I'll say this. I've never seen such a great bunch of people. I've spent an insane amount of $ with them in the last year and any problems I encountered they took care of no questions ask. That's why I buy everything from them. They have been golden. I'm sure others are good also, but I have had no experience with them. If this sounds like I'm high on AOA, it's because I am. They have earned it.
I agree, they were very accommodating with me on the phone today even though I felt like I was on the verge of becoming "that customer". I understand it was because there were problems with the gun but I'm in retail sales also and I guess I'm just sensitive to it, especially when someone goes on a rant online like I just did haha.
 
"0akhonor"Heart breaking story, well told. This is one of my nightmares- saving up, researching, exploring options and not satisfied with the final results.
Travis at WAR is helping me on a similar journey with a Verminator extreme; we should have him knighted.

I envy the English in some ways- they've airgun shops with ranges in the back. You can handle, shoot and discern before purchasing your next air companion. No envy for any of their laws, mind you, just the shopping experience.
Thank you Oak, maybe I was being a little dramatic but you're right, it wasn't fun none the less. :)

Great point about the English with such a great advantage to their shopping. I had never thought about that because all shops are so far away from me. It would be great to live near an AOA or similar here in the states. Thanks again!
 
When I get back home , will see if I can find pics of my 50 yard groups. I was keeping most of my 5 shot groups inside 5/8 " & probably about half of those 1/2". I did have to lube my pellets to get those groups. Even then I would get a flyer every 10 shots. Think the mag , might have something to do with that. I currently have my barrel off & @ the gunsmith, so he can fit the new 24" barrel I bought. . So I can't shoot some groups to show you. But these barrels need lubed pellets. I have been using Liquid Wrench Chain Lube, just cause had some of that .
 
Here is a picture some of my 50 yard groups , a few months back when I was shooting a lot. Now working almost everyday. As I said I did not start getting these groups until I lubed pellets, and my gun seemed to take a lot to break in & had to clean barrel a lot. JSB 25 grain 880 fps


Sorry to hear yours is performing so poorly. The shavings on the probe is nuts. You did not switch your pin & magnet to right load your mag did you. I tried that and the mag danced around every cycle & I knew that was not good, so switched it back.
 
I have a Daystate Wolverine B .22 Supergrade. Beautiful gun with a great trigger. (I have 4 FXs, a Cricket, an AirArms, and a Daystate Huntsman for comparison.) My Wolverine B is so hard to cock that I sent it back to AOA and they said "Several guys shot it and none of us felt the problem." Mine feels like the bolt binds. My Daystate Huntsman is easy to cock, why should a gun that costs twice as much be harder to cock? I sent it to AOA without a scope and that may change the way one pulls the bolt. With a scope I am pulling on the end of the bolt handle ball and sometimes I have to use both hands--one to pull on the ball and the other to press on the left side of the bolt to align the path so the bolt pulls straight back. Without a scope I can pull the bolt handle with my finger in next to the bolt instead of on the end of the handle and I do not get the binding. My gun has a great trigger and groups well or I would have sold it by now. Like you Cliff, I was disappointed to buy a $2500 PCP that sometimes takes two hands to cock. I also agree that the side-lever-cocking action is far superior. (The smoothest action I have ever felt is on my AirArms 510--just like butter.) For the present I will live with the awkward action of the Wolverine Supergrade because it is my most accurate bench gun.
 
"Cliff_Allen"
"TKA87"Dam Cliff I'm sorry to hear that. I've never owned a Daystate rifle but I sure love their look and will certainly try one some day but to hear that and to know you paid all that money for a gun that won't group well is a hard pill to swallow. Couldn't you add a regulator? I saw a YouTube video of a guy who installed an Altaros regulator in his Daystate Wolverine.303 so I would hope the same is possible for your gun. Your absolutely right, Daystate needs to regulate those pricey guns. The Harper slingshot patent is only applicable to their models under 35fpe. Well I hope you figure something out and I can almost guarantee that it will still be an awesome hunting rifle. Good luck Cliff and thanks for your honest review.
Hey TK, thanks for the support. I think you're right, it's an awesome hunting rifle and that is what it's likely intended for. I don't think Daystate is necessarily catering to the "I want to win competitions with precision accuracy" crowd.
Not sure I follow this logic. The gun comes with a bottle which means it is intended that you shoot a lot of shots before refilling. For pure hunting, you rarely need more than 5-10 shots at the most so you could just refill it before each trip and not worry about the shift in poi through the string, but then why weigh it down with a bottle? Why would you need a lot of shots if not for target shooting?

This gun is only powerful enough for small game hunting. Small game have small heads and move quickly. The larger groups you are seeing could easily translate to you missing a squirrels head at 50 yards. Your hunting range is going to be limited too which isn't what I would expect from a Daystate. Other people do use Daystates for competitions so either there is a problem with yours that can be fixed or you got unlucky and you got one of the lemons that exist in every batch of every brand. Hopefully it will be the first option.