Daystate Warranty FYI

I talked to AOA about buying a used Daystate with warranty still left on the gun (4 Plus years left on the one I was interested in buying). They Said that you have to send it to them and let them inspect the gun for $90 plus return shipping for the warranty to still be valid. Therefore if you buy a used Daysate that has warranty left on it and don't send it to AOA for inspection, the warranty is not valid for the 2nd owner. I don't know if this has been covered here before, but from the looks of the classifieds and what has been said, it doesn't look like it.

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I think it is worth repeating, as many people don’t know it. It has been covered a few times, but not tons, and is not one of those things that is well known. I always think the same thing when I see those ads as well. The good thing is that the warranty is still available to be transferred, even with an additional cost, and that isn’t always the case.

Good on ya for bringing this important bit of information into the light of day, Jason. For those not already aware, I'd add that the vast majority of warranties are purposely designed and worded to allow ample wiggle-room for the guarantor. That might seem quite one-sided, was it not for the fact that people try to perpetrate all manner of BS to when it comes to $$$! Having been in the bicycle business for four decades, I've seen some/many ridiculous examples of some folks' self-serving greed.

Most bike manufacturers offer reasonable warranties; those being against FACTORY DEFECTS in materials and/or workmanship. Some such warranties are lifetime guarantees against FACTORY DEFECTS in materials and/or workmanship. As it should be. 

However, long lists of exclusions and exceptions, no doubt composed by LAWYERS raking in obcscene hourly rates (yes, $500 an hour is OBSCENE for anybody charging for anything less than hazardous duty), could and would be better stated and understood if phrased thusly- "Accident, abuse, neglect, amateur service/repair, and normal wear and tear ARE NOT COVERED". As I recall, that was the gist of Schwinn's lifetime warranty... back when they were ALL produced completely in the United States of America!

On a related note, I recall more than one service department displaying signage to the effect, "Labor rate $50/hour. If you watch, $75/hour. If you help, $100/hour. Basket cases, $150/hour."

My point? ALL warranties should cover factory defects. NO warranties should cover amateur mechanics/gunsmithing. Simple, well-worded, and succinct warranties should cover not only the consumer, but the manufacturer and seller from abuse (as well). I suspect the warranty being discussed in this thread might be a bit manufacturer slanted; then again, not necessarily. Regardless, I'd bet good money it came about as a result of consumer abuse. 

Individuals are free to interpret that last statement however you (each) like.

Was not aware thanks. Sounds kinda worthless IMO.

I was eyeballing that .22 revere but was worried about something like this...

I was eyeballing that .22 revere but was worried about something like this...

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Side note: I haven't purchased a single rifle with any care in the world for the warranty. Most of the issues I've seen people have with their rifles have had absolutely nothing to do with something that would be covered by warranty. Even then, it seems most of the manufacturers are willing to take care of issues stemming from manufacturing problems (from some of the stories I've seen on here). I also haven't had any issues that would have required me to send one back.

I was eyeballing that .22 revere but was worried about something like this...

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Side note: I haven't purchased a single rifle with any care in the world for the warranty. Most of the issues I've seen people have with their rifles have had absolutely nothing to do with something that would be covered by warranty. Even then, it seems most of the manufacturers are willing to take care of issues stemming from manufacturing problems (from some of the stories I've seen on here). I also haven't had any issues that would have required me to send one back.

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Probably one of the best statements I have ever seen on this forum!

Much of the warranty repair I've encountered has been from users deciding to tinker with things they have no experience with. Buying a brand new rifle and immediately doing a "pro" tune,lol usually cranking every adjustment the gun has. They then send the gun back saying they haven't done anything to it. In some cases a used rifle may include GKW, "God Knows What" type of modifying therefore making a warranty void. From the manufacturer standpoint I don't blame them for wanting to inspect the product before allowing the warranty to extend.

Much of the warranty repair I've encountered has been from users deciding to tinker with things they have no experience with. Buying a brand new rifle and immediately doing a "pro" tune,lol usually cranking every adjustment the gun has. They then send the gun back saying they haven't done anything to it. In some cases a used rifle may include GKW, "God Knows What" type of modifying therefore making a warranty void. From the manufacturer standpoint I don't blame them for wanting to inspect the product before allowing the warranty to extend.

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While I'm new to the air gun world (and HAVEN'T done much "adjusting"!), what is said above, is absolutely correct in the automotive/motorcycle world also. So I have no doubt that similar hands attempt similar "adjustments" on air guns, that have NO business doing so. They they try others help, and because of the original comment, they "F" that up too. And what I've seen on airgun forums, IS NO different. Example - A person just bought new rifle - places a question up on an airgun forum board..."I just bought a new xxx, xxx rifle. It should be here tomorrow. What can I do to it to xxxx, or, what can be bought to add to make it doxxx ?" "WTF" ? the new owner hasn't even had it in his/her hands yet, and they THINK, that they know better than the manufacturer and or dealer. Or, just as bad, the person that's been a little lucky as his/her adjustments and they also, think that turning every knob on the gun NEEDS to be done to "suit" them. Again, "WTF" ?

So now, last ditch effort to correct the given problem(s), (caused by said owner), they contact either the dealer the manufacturer, and do their best to talk around the problem so the person on the other end of the phone "hopefully" doesn't see what actually...happened. Funny thing...the manufacturers / dealers have heard it all. All of the problems, all of the excuses, all of the "no, I didn't try that", when in fact, THAT"S what caused the problem, and the only thing that could have caused "that" problem.

I know, some years back, I was one of the guys on the other...end of the phone ! You learn to spot the frauds / tinkerers / "customizers" quickly..! Funny, soortly, it's NOT their fault, it came that way..!?



Mike

Ditto... here, that's why we ask so many questions like mods, did you buy it new???

Even then, it seems most of the manufacturers are willing to take care of issues stemming from manufacturing problems (from some of the stories I've seen on here).

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No doubt the times that is not the case are probably more memorable, Lewis’s broken Red Wolf stock comes to mind, and the many problems with the Daystate Compressor’s.