Daystate slapped their stamp on an ATAMAN M2 FT

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REALLY? Are they affiliated like brocock and daystate? This leaves me with alot of unanswered questions. Like......is daystate, brocock, and ataman all owned by the same parent company? Then my mind is now going.......well if they're all coorporate bought up then that is always done for one reason and it aint good. Then my mind goes.....remember when Schwinn bicycles was privately owned.......then bought out and now they are in every walmart. Initial impressions not good right now.....like buying a Chevy labeled mustang or a Ford labeled corvette.
 
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It's not uncommon for (even high-end) companies to bring out rebranded air guns. Air Arms put their name on that CZ gun not that long ago. I see no issue with it as long as the gun is up to the same standards as the others under that brand. 

A brand name is a promise (of sorts). Making sure people's expectations of the brand are met is what creates loyalty. Daystate's brand promise is that you'll receive a well made air rifle, with a high end finish, great accuracy and top grade walnut etc. That's why people pay more for their product. I haven't had my hands on an Ataman yet but my initial impression is that their brand promise is somewhat similar (or maybe a little below Daystate). 

The Ataman target gun with the carbon fiber stock made by Raven Arms in Russia defiantly looks the part to me. The big question for people that compete is if they are capable of winning matches at the highest level (with the right user). If they are, then the brand name won't matter and the same if they are not. 
 
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"scrane"Daystate's brand promise and brand delivery have been diverging for quite a few years. Hopefully Ataman can bring them back on track.
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Why do you say that? 

I had a huntsmen for a while and was impressed with the quality. I only sold it because I had too many air guns and it wasn't getting any use. Some of the strings I've seen on this site for the Wolverine have been impressive too. I can't fault the fit and finish of any of their current models (even though most are not my taste). 

How is their quality now worse than it used to be? 

The only thing I would say about Daystate guns is that I think they should put more effort into their 25 cal versions. It seems like most of their proprietary valve technology (which they advertise as a differentiator) is limited to their 22 and .177 guns while their 25 cal guns are a little under-powered and have limited shot-count. Given the huge increase in popularity of 25 cal guns here, I think they could do better but other than that, I think they look the part. 

I never look look at a Daystate next to another brand and wonder why it is more expensive. I have seen a few of their older models and I can only see an improvement with the latest generation. 
 
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There are definite differences in the 2 guns. The Daystate has a longer air tube and what appears to be a longer barrel for sure. Like they said a collaboration.

Somebodies specs don't jive. Daystate says overall length is 1070mm or just a bit over 42" but the barrel is stated to be 460mm or 18" at 9.9 lbs

while the Ataman is 36.75" total length and has a 20.4" barrel at 9 lbs! Doesn't add up!! 

Thurmond 
 
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"scrane"Daystate's brand promise and brand delivery have been diverging for quite a few years. Hopefully Ataman can bring them back on track.
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I own the Daystsate Regal and I am saying it is my most accurate gun of the bunch. I must have a good one. Everytime I take it off the rack it shoots perfectly, no messing around . its a winner
 
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"scrane"Daystate's brand promise and brand delivery have been diverging for quite a few years. Hopefully Ataman can bring them back on track.
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I own the Daystsate Regal and I am saying it is my most accurate gun of the bunch. I must have a good one. Everytime I take it off the rack it shoots perfectly, no messing around . its a winner
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Mine was accurate too. I think most of them are. You don't see many complaints about the accuracy of that gun. You do see a fair amount of posts from people who are impressed with their accuracy though. You also hardly ever see posts with people complaining about the fit and finish. Of all the guns in that price range, it's one of the few that looks expensive. They have really nice stocks. 

As I said, I would have kept it. I just happen to prefer using bullpups these days. I actually found it to be quite well balanced and weighted for a full length PCP gun. It doesn't have that back-breaking front heaviness.

If we're comparing Daystate now to Daystate from the past, it's significantly better than the original huntsman mk1 in every way. 
 
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"Marksman3006"REALLY? Are they affiliated like brocock and daystate? This leaves me with alot of unanswered questions. Like......is daystate, brocock, and ataman all owned by the same parent company? Then my mind is now going.......well if they're all coorporate bought up then that is always done for one reason and it aint good. Then my mind goes.....remember when Schwinn bicycles was privately owned.......then bought out and now they are in every walmart. Initial impressions not good right now.....like buying a Chevy labeled mustang or a Ford labeled corvette.
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Rumor has it that Orsis a Russian firearm company has been involved with Daystate-Marocchi development for several years. http://en.orsis.com/ with BVG Industrial money behind both companies. You are correct large corporations have realized that there is money to be made around air rifles.
 
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